AbandonedWare

Submarine · 10-19-09, 12:03 AM

Are there any Abandonware subsim games for windows or DOS? If you know of any, please post links.

Torplexed · 10-19-09, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Submarine

Are there any Abandonware subsim games for windows or DOS? If you know of any, please post links.

Only if you wish to get banned from subsim.com. It's a violation of board policy. Best to just back away.

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Submarine · 10-19-09, 12:30 AM

Abandonedware is software where there are no copyright laws or rights on it, so its perfectly legal.. how can I get banned for that?

Torplexed · 10-19-09, 12:40 AM

I'm not saying you'll be banned. Just whoever posts a link.

Copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "abandonware". Currently, a copyright can be released into the public domain if the owner clearly does so in writing; however this formal process is not considered abandoning, but rather releasing. Those who do not own a copyright cannot merely claim the copyright abandoned and start using protected works without permission of the copyright holder, who could then seek legal remedy.

Herman · 10-19-09, 01:11 AM

The owners of those rights may be 'neglecting' them at the moment, but they haven't been abandoned.

It's like the right to Freedom of Expression. Just because you may not exercise it today does not mean you have abandoned. You may want to say something next week.

Onkel Neal · 10-19-09, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Submarine

Are there any Abandonware subsim games for windows or DOS? If you know of any, please post links.

Hi Submarine,

here's the deal about abandonware here; you can discuss old games and how to make them run on your computer, but we don't allow discussion of abandonware sites or where to find them. It's been a rule here since 1998.

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Abandonedware is software where there are no copyright laws or rights on it, so its perfectly legal

Not true. Like Torplexed said, copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "abandonware", only people who want to trade old games that they cannot readily buy recognize this term.

We're not saying what is right or wrong, only that we cannot allow the discussion of illegal software distribution sites.

Thanks for your cooperation.
Neal
Admin

Theta Sigma · 10-19-09, 06:18 AM

I don't know if the OP was spurred by the recent public release of ERT, but he might be happy with a list of those games which have been released in a like manner.

Rather than discussing trading and posting of copyrighted material which has not been vetted by the copyright holders, perhaps a list of subsims which are documented as "free for individual use" could be complied here?

DangerDeep is one project I'm aware of. (Although it remains an Alpha, and the forum is offline)

Shearwater · 10-19-09, 01:45 PM

@OP: You might want to check out Mobygames. It's a neat game database (not restricted to old games) that usually offers some screenshots or links to game reviews of the respective games as well. The browser is really useful since it allows you to search very specifically. However, it's not an abandonware site (it certainly doesn't store any downloadable games). And with eBay, Amazon Marketplace and the like, legitimate copies of old games these days aren't really that expensive or hard to get. Hope that helps

FloydRoses · 10-27-09, 04:58 PM

A software house, can declare her game as abandoneware, simply if she wish, such as iD software with Doom,Quake 1 & 2 ecc..

IanC · 10-28-09, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FloydRoses

A software house, can declare her game as abandoneware, simply if she wish, such as iD software with Doom,Quake 1 & 2 ecc..

I hope you're not suggesting those games are abandonware, idsoftware.com is still selling them. I think a better example would be Bethesda Softworks giving away Arena and Daggerfall.

10-19-09, 12:03 AM	#1
Submarine Torpedoman Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Posts: 117 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	AbandonedWare Are there any Abandonware subsim games for windows or DOS? If you know of any, please post links. __________________

10-19-09, 12:30 AM	#3
Submarine Torpedoman Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Posts: 117 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Abandonedware is software where there are no copyright laws or rights on it, so its perfectly legal.. how can I get banned for that? __________________

10-19-09, 01:11 AM	#5
Herman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,185 Downloads: 269 Uploads: 1046	The owners of those rights may be 'neglecting' them at the moment, but they haven't been abandoned. It's like the right to Freedom of Expression. Just because you may not exercise it today does not mean you have abandoned. You may want to say something next week. __________________ Guidelines for ScenShare scenarios: 1) Enjoy creating it 2) Enjoy playing it 3) Enjoy sharing it 4) Enjoy helping others create them The PlayersDB - The Harpoon Community's #1 Choice. Harpoon3 Frequently Asked Questions

10-19-09, 06:18 AM	#7
Theta Sigma Seabed Comber Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NorthEast Posts: 349 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	I don't know if the OP was spurred by the recent public release of ERT, but he might be happy with a list of those games which have been released in a like manner. Rather than discussing trading and posting of copyrighted material which has not been vetted by the copyright holders, perhaps a list of subsims which are documented as "free for individual use" could be complied here? DangerDeep is one project I'm aware of. (Although it remains an Alpha, and the forum is offline) __________________

10-19-09, 12:40 AM	#4
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I'm not saying you'll be banned. Just whoever posts a link. Copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "abandonware". Currently, a copyright can be released into the public domain if the owner clearly does so in writing; however this formal process is not considered abandoning, but rather releasing. Those who do not own a copyright cannot merely claim the copyright abandoned and start using protected works without permission of the copyright holder, who could then seek legal remedy.

10-19-09, 01:45 PM	#8
Shearwater Captain Join Date: May 2009 Location: SUBSIM Radio Room (kinda obvious, isn't it) Posts: 522 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	@OP: You might want to check out Mobygames. It's a neat game database (not restricted to old games) that usually offers some screenshots or links to game reviews of the respective games as well. The browser is really useful since it allows you to search very specifically. However, it's not an abandonware site (it certainly doesn't store any downloadable games). And with eBay, Amazon Marketplace and the like, legitimate copies of old games these days aren't really that expensive or hard to get. Hope that helps

10-27-09, 04:58 PM	#9
FloydRoses Mate Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: HELL Posts: 51 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	A software house, can declare her game as abandoneware, simply if she wish, such as iD software with Doom,Quake 1 & 2 ecc..