2 Russian Subs to identify - something for you, experts

MaxT.dk · 03-25-07, 08:33 AM

Hey guys

I've got 2 models of 2 Russian (as I think) subs here that I need to identify. I've tried to look for some pics at Wikipedia and Google, but no success...

http://maxt.dk/tmp/subs/

Could anyone help me please?
Thanks inn advance!

Captain Nemo · 03-27-07, 06:02 AM

From a quick look I would say the missile sub is based on a Yankee or Delta class SSBN. However, the Delta class had twin screws not sure if the Yankee had twin screws or not. The smaller sub maybe based on an Alfa Class SSN. The reason I say 'based' is because the models don't appear to be exact smaller scale copies of the originals. Perhaps others can provide a more conclusive opinion.

Nemo

MaxT.dk · 03-27-07, 07:15 AM

Thanks for your input, Captain Nemo! Maybe it will lead others to the final answer

Oberon · 03-27-07, 07:35 AM

First one I'd say to be a Delta II SSBN, and the second an Alfa SSN. That's what I'd say the models are based on. It certainly looks like it anyway.

Both Yankee types had twin screws...in fact, nearly every Russian SSBN made, especially the ones after the Yankees (which were the first Russian SSBNs to have the missiles behind the sail and not as a part of it.) have twin screws, as a back up device IIRC incase one power plant should fail. Has lead to some ideas being put forward that Russian captains might have used, including one particularly ingenious idea in Robin Whites 'Typhoon' (WELL worth a read) in which the Russian captain remembers that the Typhoon power plant sounds a lot like the Akulas, so he scrams one reactor (I think....been a while since I've read it) and stops one screw...and then suddenly (since he's travelling at low speeds) he sounds a lot like an Akula, forcing the pursuing LA boat to rethink its actions.

Anyway...that's my opinions.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 03-27-07, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

First one I'd say to be a Delta II SSBN, and the second an Alfa SSN. That's what I'd say the models are based on. It certainly looks like it anyway.

Agree with the second, but I'd say that the first one was more likely based on Yankee, with that abrupt drop on the deck aft the missile tubes. In the Delta II they tried to smooth the whole thing out with a gentler slope - an effort that fell flat w/ Delta III and its bigger missiles...

MaxT.dk · 04-03-07, 04:51 AM

Great responces, guys! Seems you know what'cha talking about

I will try to dig some more into this using the info provided by you (the others are still welcome to comment

)

Thanks once again!

Kapitan · 04-03-07, 07:46 AM

Afraid its wrong:

The SSBN in the picture looks more like one of the many designs that russia threw off the drawing board at the design stage, failing that it could be a very early render of the newest SSBN Borey (and yes the plans have been around for at least 18 years on this submarine).

The bottom one the SSN is definatly an ALFA project 705, its propellors are wrong its 5 bladed not four.

For those who said the SSBN looks like a yankee or delta nope no way all of russia's SSBN's bar the borey have been twin screwed and all bar the typhoon and some early veriants SSBN have sail mounted diving planes.

John Channing · 04-09-07, 02:26 PM

Not a Borey either.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070409/63353403.html

JCC

Kapitan · 04-09-07, 03:21 PM

picture there is of a yankee SSBN

03-25-07, 08:33 AM	#1
MaxT.dk Rough night at Langtrees brothel Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 480 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	2 Russian Subs to identify - something for you, experts Hey guys I've got 2 models of 2 Russian (as I think) subs here that I need to identify. I've tried to look for some pics at Wikipedia and Google, but no success... http://maxt.dk/tmp/subs/ Could anyone help me please? Thanks inn advance! __________________ http://maxt.dk/archives/2007/03/22/s...nter-4-cheats/ Get KillerSub MOD and bring the Hell back to Earth! The FUN way to play SH4! Now with Rail Guns!

03-27-07, 06:02 AM	#2
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	From a quick look I would say the missile sub is based on a Yankee or Delta class SSBN. However, the Delta class had twin screws not sure if the Yankee had twin screws or not. The smaller sub maybe based on an Alfa Class SSN. The reason I say 'based' is because the models don't appear to be exact smaller scale copies of the originals. Perhaps others can provide a more conclusive opinion. Nemo __________________ "I'm afraid there is no disguising the fact that King's obsession with the Pacific and the Battle of Washington cost us dear in the Battle of the Atlantic". Sir John Slessor GCB, DSO, MC, DL AOC-in-C Coastal Command RAF ___________________________________________

03-27-07, 07:15 AM	#3
MaxT.dk Rough night at Langtrees brothel Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 480 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks for your input, Captain Nemo! Maybe it will lead others to the final answer __________________ http://maxt.dk/archives/2007/03/22/s...nter-4-cheats/ Get KillerSub MOD and bring the Hell back to Earth! The FUN way to play SH4! Now with Rail Guns!

03-27-07, 07:35 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	First one I'd say to be a Delta II SSBN, and the second an Alfa SSN. That's what I'd say the models are based on. It certainly looks like it anyway. Both Yankee types had twin screws...in fact, nearly every Russian SSBN made, especially the ones after the Yankees (which were the first Russian SSBNs to have the missiles behind the sail and not as a part of it.) have twin screws, as a back up device IIRC incase one power plant should fail. Has lead to some ideas being put forward that Russian captains might have used, including one particularly ingenious idea in Robin Whites 'Typhoon' (WELL worth a read) in which the Russian captain remembers that the Typhoon power plant sounds a lot like the Akulas, so he scrams one reactor (I think....been a while since I've read it) and stops one screw...and then suddenly (since he's travelling at low speeds) he sounds a lot like an Akula, forcing the pursuing LA boat to rethink its actions. Anyway...that's my opinions. Last edited by Oberon; 03-27-07 at 07:45 AM.

04-03-07, 04:51 AM	#6
MaxT.dk Rough night at Langtrees brothel Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 480 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Great responces, guys! Seems you know what'cha talking about I will try to dig some more into this using the info provided by you (the others are still welcome to comment ) Thanks once again! __________________ http://maxt.dk/archives/2007/03/22/s...nter-4-cheats/ Get KillerSub MOD and bring the Hell back to Earth! The FUN way to play SH4! Now with Rail Guns!

04-03-07, 07:46 AM	#7
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	Afraid its wrong: The SSBN in the picture looks more like one of the many designs that russia threw off the drawing board at the design stage, failing that it could be a very early render of the newest SSBN Borey (and yes the plans have been around for at least 18 years on this submarine). The bottom one the SSN is definatly an ALFA project 705, its propellors are wrong its 5 bladed not four. For those who said the SSBN looks like a yankee or delta nope no way all of russia's SSBN's bar the borey have been twin screwed and all bar the typhoon and some early veriants SSBN have sail mounted diving planes. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

04-09-07, 02:26 PM	#8
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 5	Not a Borey either. http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070409/63353403.html JCC

04-09-07, 03:21 PM	#9
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	picture there is of a yankee SSBN __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/