Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

It's all good, really. I understand you are frustrated as many are and it may be getting the better of you. That's not a crime or an issue.

Please..

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Susexx

If you wish, I can sometimes post what European propaganda does not show, let's call it alternative. I try to approach the matter without lies and falsehoods. If you have questions, ask them, but not about politics, I won't answer here, I'm not a politician and I don't like it.

Like alternative facts?
We can see all russian propaganda videos here, so what should i ask for?
All i can advise is not to become the lightning rod here, we are a bit concerned about Putin you know.

[Susexx]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I tend to take claims made by Russia regarding the Ukraine with a fair amount of skepticism because of the number of lies and untruths they have made.

But each to our own I suppose.

I can't disagree with you, lies are always there and everywhere. But for this we have logical thinking.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Armistead

US and UK sources are saying at least 4 times higher.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised but I'd also be interested in knowing the true number of Ukraine deaths in terms of military and civilian.

[Rockstar]

North is a diversion. The real story is south.

For Russia, the Black Sea is of particular importance for economic and geostrategic reasons. Throughout history, Russia’s Black Sea ports, as the country’s only warm water ports, have always served its economic interests. For example, on the eve of World War I, 50 percent of all Russian exports, and 90 percent of its agriculture exports, passed through the Bosphorus out of the Black Sea. Today, every 15 minutes an oil tanker makes the same trip carrying Russian or Kazakh oil (the latter, of course, transits through Russia so Moscow receives transit fees).

The Black Sea, and specifically Russia’s illegal occupation of Crimea, serves as a springboard to project military power in places like Georgia, Ukraine and even as far away as Syria. The control of the Black Sea also means total control over the Sea of Azov (a small body of water surrounded by Russia and Ukraine connected to the Black Sea by the Kerch Strait).

[Susexx]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Like alternative facts?
We can see all russian propaganda videos here, so what should i ask for?
All i can advise is not to become the lightning rod here, we are a bit concerned about Putin you know.

Irony is already good. I wanted to ask you, did you participate in combat operations or served in the army? It's just a question, without humor, mockery and ridicule.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

Please..

Please ? Then stop spouting nonsense of driving an aircraft carrier or two strike units and their escorts up onto an enemy country doorstep's to wave your flag in their faces. This isn't a video game. If you are in such a tizzy, I will give you a rifle and directions to the Ukraine. Be my guest.

Give me a break. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Jimbuna]

The key Ukrainian port city of Mariupol was "near to a humanitarian catastrophe" on Wednesday after more than 15 hours of continuous bombardment by Russian forces, the city's deputy mayor told the BBC.

"The Russian army is working through all their weapons here - artillery, multiple rocket launch systems, airplanes, tactical rockets. They are trying to destroy the city," Serhiy Orlov said.

Mr Orlov said Russian forces were several kilometres from the city on all sides and had launched strikes on key infrastructure, cutting water and power supplies to parts of the city. One densely populated residential district on the city's left bank had been "nearly totally destroyed", he said.

"We cannot count the number of victims there, but we believe at least hundreds of people are dead. We cannot go in to retrieve the bodies. My father lives there, I cannot reach him, I don't know if he is alive or dead."

Russian forces had targeted strikes against pump stations and electrical transformers, Mr Orlov said, and there were food shortages in parts of the city - raising fears of an approaching humanitarian crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60585603

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Please ? Then stop spouting nonsense of driving an aircraft carrier or two strike units and their escorts up onto an enemy country doorstep's to wave your flag in their faces. This isn't a video game. If you are in such a tizzy, I will give you a rifle and directions to the Ukraine. Be my guest.

Give me a break. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.

What the hell is your problem dude?

[Jimbuna]

[Jeff-Groves]

Don't be starting a War between Subsim members Guys!
There's enough War going on as it is.

Everyone has the right to express their opinion and thoughts.
Not a one among us is in a position to do a damned thing but speculate.

I have made many friends in both the Ukraine and Russia over the years.
I don't always agree with them but they are still my friends as I view it.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Don't be starting a War between Subsim members Guys!
There's enough War going on as it is.

Everyone has the right to express their opinion and thoughts.
Not a one among us is in a position to do a damned thing but speculate.

I have made many friends in both the Ukraine and Russia over the years.
I don't always agree with them but they are still my friends as I view it.

All good points Jeff and you're right. I gave my two cents worth, for what it's worth.


Well said.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Don't be starting a War between Subsim members Guys!
There's enough War going on as it is.

Everyone has the right to express their opinion and thoughts.
Not a one among us is in a position to do a damned thing but speculate.

I have made many friends in both the Ukraine and Russia over the years.
I don't always agree with them but they are still my friends as I view it.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Thank You. I'll also hope Neal does not stop postings from our Russian Friends.
May not be what We WANT to hear. BUT Maybe We need to hear from them.

Consider it a Neutral place to discuss issues.
Lord knows We need something like that some where!

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Thank You. I'll also hope Neal does not stop postings from our Russian Friends.
May not be what We WANT to hear. BUT Maybe We need to hear from them.

Consider it a Neutral place to discuss issues.
Lord knows We need something like that some where!

I hope so as well and again, I agree. It's been reported that many Russians are not happy with their current assignment and in that way, they are victims of a sort as well. That tells me many of these soldiers are of a decent sort but given orders that are hard to reconcile with their personal feelings. I think we would all do well to know and understand that. In that way, hearing what our Russian friends in Subsim have to say may help our understanding as well. They probably don't like how things are going anymore than we do.