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07-21-08, 09:11 AM | #1 |
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General Apology To Affected Creators (ca-24 Pack)
Hi all,
On behalf of Richi (creator of the CA-24 pack), I'd like to apologize to everyone, specially to all the creators who had their mods included in the pack without previous request for permission, for the great inconvenience this action has represented on the community. This error was not intentional, it's derived from a misunderstanding of the modding netiquette clauses contained within any mod readme document, due to the fact that Richi's primary language is not English, and his understanding of it is nowhere near the level that me (or anyone else in this forum) may have, which is also the reason it's me writing this post and not him. I'd like that this problem gets solved peacefully, in a friendly manner, as a show of the 24th's good faith, honesty and sincerity. That's why I'll also be sending individual private apologies to all the respective mod creators/teams that had their mods included in the aforementioned pack without previous permission, once I get a list with all the names. To end this apology, I'd also like to recommend all mod creators (independent or within dev groups) that they explicitally include the modding netiquette clauses written by Hitman in their readme files not just with a web link, but by copying and pasting its contents directly into the documents, thus avoiding future misunderstandings of such clauses. We are very sorry, and hope the damage can be repaired and the wounds healed. Cheers |
07-21-08, 09:19 AM | #2 |
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English can be a tough language to understand,
take the simple sentence..... I didnt say he took it. one sentence in the written language has six totally different meanings in the spoken language. Have a look at the inflection by saying the emphasis on the word in bold out loud, you will see that emphasis or inflection carries totally different meanings that are not expressed in the written word. I didnt say he took it. I didnt say he took it. I didnt say he took it. I didnt say he took it. I didnt say he took it. I didnt say he took it. I am not familiar at all with this issue the modders involved nor any of the readme's nor the specific language contained theirin. I would however offer that in cases such as this it is highly possible for a legitimate misunderstanding. I would advise diplomacy and understanding when dealing with cross cultural misunderstandings. Regards to all M |
07-21-08, 10:27 AM | #3 | |
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07-21-08, 10:37 AM | #4 |
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Post deleted as requested by Lurker_hlb3 and persuasion by many (including, but not limited to Neal and Kapt Lehmann) whom I respect.
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07-21-08, 11:41 AM | #5 |
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@ Rockin Robbin
Did they use one of your mods or one you were part of ? |
07-21-08, 12:09 PM | #6 | ||||
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But still, here we are, questioned again as a whole, questioned our honesty and truth of word... we had a similar issue with a previous SubClub administration... they claimed some of our mates cheated, but it wasn't true, and still we got burnt for it. Of course, the community as a whole felt we were not welcome, so we were forced to withdraw our official participation for a year... I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that here, but our people are a bit annoyed already to always be questioned as if we were the bad guys. And no, I'm not unloading responsability, but how would it feel to you if they blamed you for not properly understanding an advanced text in arabic, for example, even if you had studied it just for a few days. Well, a similar situation is presented here... of course, if you are of those that think the whole world should speak English, well, I'll just give up. Quote:
I like to think that we still have a chance, at least, until I see otherwise. You're free to doubt my intentions or my words all you want, but in the end, reasonable people will see that I'm actually trying to solve this problem instead of, as you say, unloading responsabilities on others. |
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07-21-08, 12:18 PM | #7 |
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Give Martes a chance, he's got a solid reputation and he is expending a great deal of effort to resolve this fairly.
thanks Neal |
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07-21-08, 12:55 PM | #9 | |
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07-21-08, 03:10 PM | #10 |
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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens Give Martes a chance, he's got a solid reputation and he is expending a great deal of effort to resolve this fairly. thanks Neal Mix you have my support as you know. You were always upfront and honest about things. Salute! |
07-21-08, 05:25 PM | #11 |
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Thanks Flick, it's nice to see you around here.
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07-21-08, 06:19 PM | #12 |
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I will stand beside you Sir!
PM sent! |
07-21-08, 06:55 PM | #13 | |
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07-21-08, 07:02 PM | #14 |
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As the “one and only” developer of Operations Monsun I am still patiently waiting for a formal request by way of PM to use OM files. When that happens I will see what can be worked out.
For the 24th Flotilla developer please review the permissions section of the Operation Monsun readme file that is in the first post of this thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134922 Lurker. |
07-21-08, 10:51 PM | #15 |
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To all who are directly involved. I'll have to make my response(s) tomorrow night (Wednesday) U.S. Central time due to real life / work matters.
(Am referring to public and PM communications.) |
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