Silent Hunter Online

[Wolfstriked]

Originally Posted by 7thSeal

If you believe that's whats being taking into account then sadly you're flowing right along with 'business'.

I hate business but I also know that companies fold if profits are not good enough.I was a huge RPG fan yrs back.I hate them now since they are geared for the masses.But I understand that people wanna make money and that most of the companies that made the games I love have folded,though not the ones that changed their model....sadly.

Submarine sims are very small niche but sub fans will buy it all up like crazy.I think a better business model for them would of been to make study sims wherein one sub plus a campaign is released.Would be excellent to walk in to your local Walmart and see " TypeVII Submarine w/black sea campaign".....you would buy each and every one up.Just that people complain that there is not enough content then.But study sims are different where you model as close to real life.Of course just IMHO.

[7thSeal]

Originally Posted by Wolfstriked

but I also know that companies fold if profits are not good enough.

Submarine sims are very small niche but sub fans will buy it all up like crazy.

Based on what exactly, putting hope into the 'next game' ?

[thebeasle]

I'm glad they're keeping the series alive. Maybe they'll realize after SH Online fails that it's in the best interest of fans and business to release a serious sub sim. Kind of like when Maxis released "Sim Cities Societies" where they nerfed the simulation and now are back to making (supposedly) a real sim city game.

Microsoft Flight seems to be tanking. I wonder if Microsoft will go back and make a real flight simulator.

After SH Online fails, I hope Ubi makes a real SH6. If they don't make a serious sub sim, maybe there will be room for independent developers to make one (like X-Plane). That guy behind X-Plane has made a ton of money. http://techhaze.com/2010/03/intervie...-austin-meyer/

Until then, I'm very grateful to the modding community for making SH5 a lot of fun to play.

[Obelix]

I was even scared to imagine what it would be! Silent Hunter - online, so even browser!? I think of a decent gameplay and realism can be forgotten at all!

[TheDarkWraith]

There's a fundamental flaw in their business model. It's clear that they and many other developers are targeting the casual gamer and the kiddies. The flaw is these people are not brand loyal - they will switch to the next big thing in a heart beat. All they (upper management) see is short term profits. Short term profits do not sustain a business. If they were to target the brand loyal consumers and actually develop something real that was fully tested and worked as delivered and charged a premium price for it they would get repeat customers. Repeat customers sustain a business. I would gladly pay $100 for a sub sim that was near perfect as delivered AND was an actual sim and not an arcade game.

But sadly this will probably never happen. The Gen X and Gen Y kiddies are the instant gratification generation and they want everything now. The developers are tailoring to them and forgetting about everyone else because that's where the short term profits are

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

There's a fundamental flaw in their business model. It's clear that they and many other developers are targeting the casual gamer and the kiddies. The flaw is these people are not brand loyal - they will switch to the next big thing in a heart beat. All they (upper management) see is short term profits. Short term profits do not sustain a business. If they were to target the brand loyal consumers and actually develop something real that was fully tested and worked as delivered and charged a premium price for it they would get repeat customers. Repeat customers sustain a business. I would gladly pay $100 for a sub sim that was near perfect as delivered AND was an actual sim and not an arcade game.

But sadly this will probably never happen. The Gen X and Gen Y kiddies are the instant gratification generation and they want everything now. The developers are tailoring to them and forgetting about everyone else because that's where the short term profits are

Great way to put it TDW, hell, I AM from those generations, and I think the overall instant gratification move is sad.

[quink99]

I concur completely, TDW, and would gladly join you in the "$100 line". It is thanks to your efforts and those of many other diligent MODDERS that we are approaching having a true sim instead of an arcade game.

My sincere thanks to all of you who have helped by showing that you can, indeed, "make a silk purse from a sow's ear."

[7thSeal]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

All they (upper management) see is short term profits. Short term profits do not sustain a business.

The Gen X and Gen Y kiddies are the instant gratification generation and they want everything now. The developers are tailoring to them and forgetting about everyone else because that's where the short term profits are

You nailed it, short term profits has become the 'world race' so its sustaining business for now... nothing is competing against it any longer because of the instant entertainment available. Sadly its not going to change anytime soon.

[longam]

New screen shot of the (flash based) game, they expect to patch in 2 years to make it playable. Notice the torp circling back toward the sub.

[Wolfstriked]

Originally Posted by 7thSeal

Based on what exactly, putting hope into the 'next game' ?

If it fails it fails for them and they lose their job.I wish them luck.

[theluckyone17]

I'm going to stay cautious optimistic. I hope"

• SH Online takes off without a hitch.
• It's relatively bug free.
• The casual players latch onto it like Farmville. (hey, it's nice to dream...)
• A great deal of the feedback received by Ubisoft afterwards concerns the amount of realism and detail.

Note that the above doesn't mean I'll actually play it... SH5 with mods has sucked me in pretty deep.

[7thSeal]

Originally Posted by Wolfstriked

If it fails it fails for them and they lose their job.I wish them luck.

SH5 wasn't exactly a sim but a migration to console, it didn't fail and you're expecting the next game to lean toward PC? Heck even the 'online' phase is enough to see that it won't be a sim. But if sim gamers run out and buy it then what the heck no failures or jobs lost and business goes on as usual.

[Wolfstriked]

Originally Posted by 7thSeal

SH5 wasn't exactly a sim but a migration to console, it didn't fail and you're expecting the next game to lean toward PC? Heck even the 'online' phase is enough to see that it won't be a sim. But if sim gamers run out and buy it then what the heck no failures or jobs lost and business goes on as usual.

Its free to play though.I doubt any of the realistic simulation players from here will pay any money once they see its not geared towards realism.Its ok with me and I wish them luck.If its good then there is lots of money to be made for them.

[7thSeal]

Originally Posted by Wolfstriked

Its free

Yeah that motivates people to move in the right direction desired....