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Old 11-07-23, 04:43 AM   #661
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Taiwan has over the years purchased 14 BILLION dollars worth of military hardware equipment from us. Not exactly sure what this additional 80 million dollars of U.S. tax payer money will do that Taiwans 14 billion of tax payer monies can’t.
The ttext explains the relevance. Its a changed modality indicating a massive change in US stance on TaiwN. That why China was so angry about it.
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The ttext explains the relevance. Its a changed modality indicating a massive change in US stance on TaiwN. That why China was so angry about it.
I don’t see this as anything new. China has had their panties in a bunch for decades over our stance of supplying military aid to Taiwan. We keep pushing China’s button, and they just keep getting angry, wash rinse repeat. And I don’t think we would keep pushing the envelope if we didn’t think we could get away with it.

Only thing I question is where the 80 million is actually going because it doesn’t seem to be going directly to Taiwan but someone else’s pockets.
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I don’t see this as anything new. China has had their panties in a bunch for decades over our stance of supplying military aid to Taiwan. We keep pushing China’s button, and they just keep getting angry, wash rinse repeat. And I don’t think we would keep pushing the envelope if we didn’t think we could get away with it.

Only thing I question is where the 80 million is actually going because it doesn’t seem to be going directly to Taiwan but someone else’s pockets.
Again, the financial modality was fundamentally changed, from "Taiwan pays for it" to "the US pays for it". This signals a greater commitment of the US, and a sense of growing urgency. Washington obviously sees the need to accelerate the armament of Taiwan, beyond what t Taiwan could afford by itself.
Those 80 millions are just a start. And, as the text says, they translate into Javelins and Stinger, mean quite a punch to Chinese aggression. Not enough yet to stop them, but enough to really raise the losses for China.
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Not sure I trust China but would be happy to be proven wrong.

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China's state media take a new tone toward the US ahead of meeting between their leaders

Ahead of the highly anticipated meeting on Wednesday between U.S. President Joe Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping, Chinese state media have taken a new tone toward the U.S. with less negative coverage, calls for a return to warmer ties and stories of Americans with positive connections to the country.

The messaging follows several years of unprecedented tensions between the two countries over issues including trade and technology, the status of Taiwan and Hong Kong and the origins of COVID-19.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...04fb15da&ei=28
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^ Well Trump sure thought that anything happening now would never happen due to HIS presidency, forethought, and having control of the world
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^ Well Trump sure thought that anything happening now would never happen due to HIS presidency, forethought, and having control of the world
Here’s the Trump administration unclassified and lightly redacted policy towards China and what they thought could happen. It’s been out for awhile now. Let me know you think about it. Just be warned there’s no snarky comments, youtube know-it-alls, catchy slogans, memes, click bait headlines and soap opera drama. Just one presidents administration official U.S. policy . Informative but kinda boring read.

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(U) U.S. STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK FOR THE INDO-PACIFIC
(U) National Security Challenges
• (S//NF How to maintain U.S. strategic primacy in the Indo-Pacific region and promote a liberal economic order while preventing China from establishing new, i l l i b e r a l spheres of influence, and cultivating areas of cooperation to promote regional peace and prosperity?
(ST7N1) How to ensure North Korea does not threaten the United States and its allies, accounting for both the acute present danger and the potential for future changes in the level and type of the threat posed by North Korea?
• (ST/NF) How to advance U.S. global economic leadership while promoting fair and reciprocal trade?
(0) Enduring Vital Interests of the United States: • (0) Protect the homeland;
• (U) Advance American prosperity;
• (0) P r e s e r v e p e a c e t h r o u g h s t r e n g t h ; and • (U) Advance American influence.
(U) Top Interests of the United States in the Indo-Pacific:
• (377N1) Defend the homeland and American c i t i z e n s abroad; prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them;
• 1 5 7 7 1 Preserve U.S. economic, diplomatic, and military
a c c e s s to the most populous region of the world and more than one-third of the global economy;
• (S//NE) Enhance the credibility and effectiveness of our alliances; and
• ts//NT) Maintain U.S. primacy in the region while protecting American core values and liberties at home.
• (U//F000) U.S. security and prosperity depend on free and open access to the Indo-Pacific region, which will remain an engine of U.S., regional, and global economic growth.
(U//F000) North Korea's nuclear
missiles and its stated intention of subjugating South Korea pose a grave threat to
the U.S. homeland and our allies.
Classified By: MPottinger, DAP and Senior Director for Asia, NSC
Derived From: NSC SCG
NSC declassification review
Declassify On: 20421231 Declassified in Part
by Assistant ot the President for National Security Affairs SuentRobert C. O'Brien 1/5/2021
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• (U//F000) Shifting regional power balances will continue to drive security competition across the Indo-Pacific, leading to increased defense investment by many countries in the region, including India and Japan.
• (U//FOU0) Proliferation, maritime security, terrorism, and unresolved territorial disputes will remain the primary security concerns and sources of conflict.
• (0//F000) Loss of U.S. preeminence in the Indo-Pacific would weaken our ability to achieve U.S. interests globally.
• (U//F000) Strong U.S. alliances are key to deterring conflict and advancing our vital interests.
• (U//1000) Strategic competition between the United States and China will persist, owing to the divergent nature and goals of our political and economic systems. China will circumvent international rules and norms to gain an advantage.
• (U//FOUO) China aims to dissolve U.S. alliances and partnerships in the region. China will exploit vacuums and opportunities created by these diminished bonds.
• (U//FOUe) A strong. India, in cooperation with like-minded countries, would act as a counterbalance to China.
• (U//TOUO) Chinese economic, diplomatic, and military influence will continue to increase in the near-term and challenge the U.S. ability to achieve its national interests in the Indo- Pacific region.

(U//FOU) China seeks to dominate cutting-edge technologies, including artificial intelligence and bio-genetics, and
harness them in the service of authoritarianism. Chinese dominance in these technologies would pose profound challenges to free societies.
(U//T000) China's proliferation of its digital surveillance, information controls, and influence operations will damage
U.S. efforts to promote our values and national interests in the Indo-Pacific region and, increasingly, in the Western hemisphere and a t home.
• (U//F000) China will take increasingly assertive steps to compel unification with Taiwan.
• (U//FOU) Russia will remain a marginal player in the Indo- Pacific region relative to the United States, China, and India.
SECRET / /NOFORN

SECRET//NUFURI 3
(U) Desired End States:
• (St/NN) North Korea no longer poses a threat ot the U.S. homeland or our allies; the Korean Peninsula is free of
nuclear, chemical, cyber, and biological weapons.
• (8//NF) The United States maintains diplomatic, economic, and military preeminence ni the fastest-growing region of the
world; most nations in the Indo-Pacific view the United States as their preferred partner; U.S. economic strength and
influence increase throughout the region.
• (577NF) Regional countries uphold the principles that have enabled U.S. and regional prosperity and stability, including sovereignty, freedom of navigation and overflight, standards
o f trade and investment, respect for individual rights and
rule of law, and transparency in military activities.
• (S//NF) Free markets are the mainstream of Asia, and the U.S. economy generates jobs and growth as a consequence of its interaction with the Indo-Pacific region.
• (St/NT) Regional disputes are resolved lawfully and without coercion.
• +SAANH
Southeast Asia is bound more t i g h t l y together in business, security, and civil society - including through a strengthened Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) - and works closely with the United States and our allies and
key partners to uphold the principles identified above.
• IS//N) Southeast Asia is capable of managing terrorist
threats with minimal assistance from non-ASEAN states.
• IS//N› India's preferred partner on security issues is the United States. The two cooperate to preserve maritime security and counter Chinese influence in South and Southeast Asia and other regions of mutual concern. India maintains the capacity to counter border provocations by China.
(S//NF) India remains preeminent in South Asia and takes the leading role in maintaining Indian Ocean security,
increases engagement with Southeast Asia, and expands i t s economic, defense, and diplomatic cooperation with other U.S. allies and partners in the region.

S 7 7 N 7 The United States and i t s partners on every continent are resistant to Chinese activities aimed at undermining their sovereignty, including through covert ro coercive influence.
(U) Lines of Effort:
(U) Alliances & Partnerships
• (6//NI) Objective: Emphasize our commitment to the region, highlighting a shared vision for a "free and open Indo- Pacific."
SECRBT// NOPORK


( S tNF) Objective: Reinvigorate alliances with the Philippines and Thailand, to strengthen their role in upholding a rules-based regional order.
SECRET/ /NOTORN 4

A c t i o n s : Invigorate U.S. technical assistance to friendly governments to promoter u l e of law and civil institutions while communicating the strings attached to China's "Belt and Road Initiative." (See: "J.S. Strategic Framework for Countering China's Economic Aggression.") Develop a robust public diplomacy c a p a b i l i t y, which can compete with China's information campaigns; puncture the narrative that Chinese regional domination is inevitable.
( S H N ) Objective: Strengthen the capabilities and will of Japan, t h e Republic of Korea, and Australia to contribute to theendstateso fthisstrategy.
• Align our Indo-Pacific strategy with those of Australia, India, and Japan.
• Ami to create a quadrilateral security framework with India, Japan, Australia, and the United States as the principal hubs.
• Deepen t r i l a t e r a l cooperation with Japan and Australia.
• Encourage South Korea to play a larger role in regional security issues beyond the Korean peninsula.
• Empower Japan to become a regionally integrated, technologically advanced pillar of the Indo-Pacific security architecture.
• Assist in the modernization of Japan's Self
Defense Forces.
• Actions: Preserve and where possible expand foreign development assistance and defense engagement, including access, exercises and training, and interoperability.
• (S//N) Objective: Advance U.S. security leadership in the region through expanded engagement with Indo-Pacific countries on non-traditional security challenges.
• Actions: Expand collaboration with Indo-Pacific countries on peacekeeping, humanitarian assistance/disaster response, and global health.
• Share the burdens and fruits of
research and development with allies and like-minded partners to retain our military edge.
• Encourage like-minded countries to play a greater role in addressing these challenges and in increasing burden- sharing. Share the benefits of our research and development with allies and like-minded parterns to retain our collective military edge.
SECRET/NOPORN

SECRET//NOFONN 5
• 1317N1) Objective: Enable Taiwan to develop an effective asymmetric defense strategy and capabilities that will help ensure i t s s e c u r i t y, freedom from coercion, resilience, and ability to engage China on its own terms.
(U) India and South Asia
• (37/NP) Objective: Accelerate India's rise and capacity to serve a s a n e t provider of security and Major Defense Partner; solidify an enduring strategic partnership with India underpinned by a strong Indian military able to effectively collaborate with the United States and our partners in the region to address shared interests.
• Actions: Build a stronger foundation for defense cooperation and interoperability; expand our defense trade and a b i l i t y to transfer defense technology to enhance India's status as a Major Defense Partner; increase our cooperation on shared regional security concerns and encourage I n d i a ' s engagement beyond the Indian Ocean
Region; support India's membership in the Nuclear
Supplier's Group;
and work with India toward domestic economic reform and an
increased leadership
role in the
East Asia Summit (EAS)
a n d ADMM+. O f f e r s u p p o r t t o I n d i a - through diplomatic, military, and intelligence channels - to help address continental challenges such as the border dispute with China and access to water, including the Brahmaputra andotherriversfacingdiversionb yChina.
policy and its aspiration to b support India's "Act East"
e a leading global power, highlighting its compatibility with the U.S., Japanese, and Australian vision of a free and open Indo-Pacific.
Build regional support for U.S.-India Common Principles in the Indian Ocean, including unimpeded commerce, transparent infrastructure-debt practices, and peaceful resolution of territorial disputes.
• PromoteU.S.-India energy cooperation across all sources and technologies to diversify India's energy sources and supplies.
• Partnerwith India on cyber andspace security and maritime domain awareness. ExpandU.S.-Indiaintelligencesharing
a n da n a l y t i c exchanges
creating a more robust intelligence partnership.
SBERET //NOTORI

SECRET/ /NOFORN
• Work with India and Japan to help finance projects that enhance regional connectivity between India and countries of the region.
• f i N n Objective: Strengthen the capacity of emerging partners i n South A s i a , including the Maldives, Bangladesh,
a n d S r i L a n k a , t o c o n t r i b u t e t o a f r e e and o p e n o r d e r .
• Actions: Establish a new initiative with South Asian partners modeled on the Maritime Security Initiative in Southeast Asia to
improve maritime domain awareness, interoperability,anddata-sharingwiththeUnitedStates.
• Support creation of a maritime information "fusion center" in the Indian Ocean.
• Establish a regional forum to promote common principles and standards.
• Establish and gain broad consensus on a statement of principles on acceptable maritime behavior, to include a commitment to regional cooperation in line with shared security objectives.
(U) China
• (8//NP) Objective: Prevent China's industrial policies and unfair trading practices from distorting global markets and harming U.S. competitiveness.
• Actions: Counter Chinese predatory economic practices that freeze out foreign competition, undermine U.S. economic competitiveness, and abet the Chinese Communist Party's aspiration to dominate the 21st century economy. (See: "U.S. Strategic Framework for Countering China's Economic Aggression.")
(&4/NF) Build an international consensus that China's industrial policies and unfair trading practices are damaging the global trading system.
• Actions: (See: "U.S. Strategic Framework for Countering China's Economic Aggression.")
• (8//NF) Objective: Maintain American industry's innovation edge vis-à-vis China.
• Actions: Work closely with a l l i e s and like-minded
countries to prevent Chinese acquisition of military and strategic capabilities; broaden the scope of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States to cover venture capital and other forms of investment by China; and adopt domestic policies that promote growth in key technologies.
SECRET//NUFURN

BT/ / NOFORN 7
(See: "U.S. Strategic Framework for Countering China's Economic Aggression.")
(91/NE) Objective: Promote U.S. values throughout the region to maintain influence and counterbalance Chinese models of government.
• Actions: Develop public and private messaging and promote initiatives that show the benefits of democracy and liberty t o a l l countries, including economic, technologic, and societal benefits.
• Coordinate efforts to protect and promote internationally recognized rights and freedoms with likeminded partners.
• Engage South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Japan, and other regional democratic partners to demonstrate their own successes and the b e n e f i t s they have accrued.
• Support a c t i v i s t s and reformers throughout the region.
• Offer development, technical, and legal assistance to those countries who seek to reform.
• ( S N I ) Objective: Deter China from using military force against the United States and U.S. allies or partners, and develop the capabilities and concepts ot defeat Chinese actions across the spectrum of conflict.
• Actions: Enhance combat-credible U.S. military presence
and posture in the Indo-Pacific region to uphold U.s. interests and security commitments.
Devise and implement a defense strategy capable of, but not limited to: (1) denying China sustained a i r and sea dominance inside the "first island chain" in a conflict;
(2) defending the first-island-chain nations, including Taiwan; and (3)dominatinga l ldomainsoutsidet h ef i r s t island-chain.
• Help our allies and partners improve their security posture, including military capabilities and interoperability, to ensure strategic independence and freedom from Chinese coercion. Expand partnerships and capabilities that limit China's ability to coerce allies and partners.
• (St/NF) Objective: Enhance U.S. engagement in the region while also educating governments, businesses, universities,
about China's coercive behavior and influence operations around the globe.
• Actions: Establish a mechanism that provides publicly available information that explains Chinese activities and
SBERET//NOFORN

SECRET / /NOPORN 8
the problems they pose t ot h einterests,libertyand sovereigntyo fnations.
Invest in capabilities
t h a t promote uncensored communication between Chinese people.
• (3//NP) Objective: Cooperate with China when beneficial to U.S. interests.
• A c t i o n s : In our diplomacy with China, emphasize high- level, substantive interaction to realize the President's vast a pomacy nat utin ben utta ane etd relationship. suits China's interests.
• (S//NF) Objective: Maintain an intelligence advantage over China, and inoculate the United States, its allies, and partners against Chinese intelligence activities.
• Actions: Equip U.S. allies and partners to cooperate with the United States in operating against China and countering China's clandestine activities in
their countries.
• Expand and prioritize U.S. intelligence and law enforcement activities that counter Chinese influence operations. Get like-minded countries to do the same.
Strengthen defensive and offensive counter-intelligence functions across the public and private sectors to neutralize China's growing intelligence advantages; expand intelligence diplomacy and law enforcement cooperation with other governments to bolster understanding of Chinese intentions and capabilities.
Help a l l i e s and partners develop high standards in counterintelligence, counter proliferation, cyber security, industrial security, and management of classified information.

(U) Korean Peninsula
• (8//NF) Objective: Convince the Kim regime that the only path to its survival i s to relinquish its nuclear weapons.
• Actions: Maximize pressure on Pyongyang using economic, diplomatic, military, law enforcement, intelligence, and information tools to cripple North Korea's weapons of mass destruction programs, choke off currency flows, weaken the regime, and set the conditions for negotiations aimed at reversing its nuclear and missile programs, ultimately achieving the complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization of the Peninsula. Consider negotiations
if North Korea takes steps to reverse i t s nuclear and missile programs.
"The President's North Korea Strategy," Cabinet Memo, 28 March 2017.)
JT/ / NOFOR T

SECRET / /NOTORI
Do this by: (1) helping South Korea and Japan acquire advanced, conventional military capabilities; (2) drawing South Korea and Japan closer t o one another;
(U) Southeast Asia & the Pacific Islands
• 1s//NE) Objective: Promote and reinforce Southeast Asia and ASEANs' centralrole in the region's security architecture, and encourage it to speak with one voice on key issues.
• (5//NT) Actions: Deepen our relationships with Singapore, Malaysia,Vietnam,a n dIndonesia
• (31/NI) Highlight ASEAN centrality as a core component of t h e f r e e and open Indo-Pacific strategy.
• (5//NF) Reinforce Japan's proactive leadership to amplify U.S.strategicgoalsi nSoutheastAsia.
(S//NF) Objective: Prevent the spread of terrorism in Southeast Asia.
• (5//NF) Actions: Expand the involvement of Southeast Asian nations in the Defeat-ISIS coalition; foster better law- enforcement, military, and intelligence cooperation among Indo-Pacific states; and providedirectU.S. assistance to counter-terrorefforts.
• (57711) Objective: Promote and support Burma's transition to democracy•
• (S//NI) Objective: Ensure the Pacific Islands (e.g., the U.S. hte Polynes, at states! Aemanaetd statest he laned snated. • Actions: Solidify our diplomatic, military, intelligence, economic, development assistance, and informational advantagesacrosst h ePacificIslands.

1S/7N) Objective: Pursue economic t i e s and increase connectivity with countries willing to adopt market-based reforms. Pursue trade agreements that contain trade and SECRET//NUFURN

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investment standards set by the United States and that reduce the region's economic reliance on China.
• (U) Assign strategic purpose to the combined financial

resources and economic power of the United States; promote an integrated economic development model in the Indo- Pacific that provides a credible alternative to One Belt One Road; create a task force on how best to use public- private partnerships.
(SP/NF) Promote the U.S., a l l y, and partner-led development of energy, telecommunications, and logistics standards and infrastructure.
• (S//NP) Expand the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation's work in promoting regional economic integration and support the formation of the ASEAN Economic Community through trade facilitation, customs modernization, and standards harmonization.
• (517NT) Incentivize the U.S. private sector to reignite an expeditionary spirit so that it expands two-way trade and investment in the Indo-Pacific.
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XI will survive this he survived Mao (XI father was sent to the correctional camps and XI to the farmers to be made a real Maoist till Mao's dead) a couple of years ago he made himself a Mao XI is the first that has that status after Mao's dead. The CCP after that never allowed a leader for live meaning he owns the CCP, he is the CCP.
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I'm not sure what's the worst, Trump thinking he can do no wrong or the US electorate that support him thinking he can do no wrong.
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I'm not sure what's the worst, Trump thinking he can do no wrong or the US electorate that support him thinking he can do no wrong.
We mostly just think President Trump doesn't "hate" America or your typical American. "The big guy" we're not so sure about.
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We mostly just think President Trump doesn't "hate" America or your typical American. "The big guy" we're not so sure about.
When you say "The big guy" I'm not sure who you are referring to.
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