Volunteers needed, to test experimental AI tweaks

kapuhy · 01-31-23, 03:49 PM

Hi guys! In short, I'm looking for volunteer(s) who are currently playing SH5 campaign (with or without TWoS, the only thing required would be that you have JGSME mod manager set up), who would be willing to test changes I've made to TDW's version of Airplane.aix script in order to make planes in game more dangerous.

If you're interested, here's a little more detailed explanation:

Plane AI in SH5 is governed by Airplane.aix file located in data/Scripts/AI folder. Vanilla version was (like most of the game) very buggy and modders have been trying to improve it, most notably TheDarkWraith in his IRAI mod (this is the version used by TWoS megamod among others). Unfortunately TDW never finished working on it, and plane AI still has many problems leading to aircraft not attacking a U-Boat when they should or crashing into ocean. This was discussed at length and tested in a thread I've started some time ago, and based on findings from this thread I did some changes to TDW's version of Airplane.aix aiming to make planes more of a threat to the player.

Unfortunately, my free time is very limited these days and I cannot do any sort of extensive testing, especially testing in campaign (all my own tests were done in specially prepared single missions to have a controlled environment where I can make various script changes and compare results. Campaign doen't work that way - planes fly in various groups, weather conditions, approach from different directions, plus there are various tactics emploed by player to evade the attack - all this has an impact on how well AI will work). This is why I'm looking for someone who is currently playing a campaign to test changes and provide feedback.

How would this work? Here, you'll find a mod that replaces Airplane.aix with new script:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=6291

Copy it to your mods folder (or TWOS_Parts folder if you use TWoS). It can be enabled or disabled through JGSME at any time during your campaign, even mid-patrol, and will work both for vanilla game and for TWoS. After enabling it, when you are attacked by an aircraft, please post here the results:

- What type of plane (if you had time to check or use external cam)
- How did you respond to the attack (dive, fight it with AA, etc)
- What was the result (did the plane drop any bombs? Did it crash into ocean or did it do some other weird maneuver?)

I hope to pinpoint planes and situation that lead to least satisfying results, and use this to improve their behaviour by further tweaking either the script or plane parameters.

Final note on credits: as noted above, I was working on version of the script created by TheDarkWraith and included in TWoS megamod, so most of the script is TDW's work, I just changed parts that led to buggy behaviour (specific info on changes made is in comments within script file).

Muckenberg · 01-31-23, 05:33 PM

Hello, I will keep you updated. I just started Happy Times.

kapuhy · 01-31-23, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muckenberg

Hello, I will keep you updated. I just started Happy Times.

Thanks

propbeanie · 01-31-23, 07:47 PM

I am quite busy right now kapuhy, but if I can finish up a few things and get back to having fun actually playing the game, I'll do some reports. But it will be at least several weeks before I can.

GrenSo · 02-01-23, 03:06 AM

Maybe I will have time on this weekend. But without guarantee.

kapuhy · 02-01-23, 04:42 AM

Thanks guys

Anyways, from my own testing in single missions so far, this current version seems to improve the following:

- planes more willing to drop bombs (still a lot of "dry runs" but there should be a bomb dropped on player within 1-5 minutes of plane getting in range though efficiency varies from plane to plane)
- way faster turning back for another attack, which also means they keep you in range of their machine guns for better suppression
- planes attempt to drop bomb on place where U-Boat has just dived, and while they almost always miss it's still better than immediately breaking off the moment your periscope hides under water

Downsides:
- weird maneuvers that sometimes lead to stalling (especially with level bombers)
- accuracy in bomb drops is poor.

01-31-23, 03:49 PM	#1
kapuhy Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 873 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 3	Volunteers needed, to test experimental AI tweaks Hi guys! In short, I'm looking for volunteer(s) who are currently playing SH5 campaign (with or without TWoS, the only thing required would be that you have JGSME mod manager set up), who would be willing to test changes I've made to TDW's version of Airplane.aix script in order to make planes in game more dangerous. If you're interested, here's a little more detailed explanation: Plane AI in SH5 is governed by Airplane.aix file located in data/Scripts/AI folder. Vanilla version was (like most of the game) very buggy and modders have been trying to improve it, most notably TheDarkWraith in his IRAI mod (this is the version used by TWoS megamod among others). Unfortunately TDW never finished working on it, and plane AI still has many problems leading to aircraft not attacking a U-Boat when they should or crashing into ocean. This was discussed at length and tested in a thread I've started some time ago, and based on findings from this thread I did some changes to TDW's version of Airplane.aix aiming to make planes more of a threat to the player. Unfortunately, my free time is very limited these days and I cannot do any sort of extensive testing, especially testing in campaign (all my own tests were done in specially prepared single missions to have a controlled environment where I can make various script changes and compare results. Campaign doen't work that way - planes fly in various groups, weather conditions, approach from different directions, plus there are various tactics emploed by player to evade the attack - all this has an impact on how well AI will work). This is why I'm looking for someone who is currently playing a campaign to test changes and provide feedback. How would this work? Here, you'll find a mod that replaces Airplane.aix with new script: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=6291 Copy it to your mods folder (or TWOS_Parts folder if you use TWoS). It can be enabled or disabled through JGSME at any time during your campaign, even mid-patrol, and will work both for vanilla game and for TWoS. After enabling it, when you are attacked by an aircraft, please post here the results: - What type of plane (if you had time to check or use external cam) - How did you respond to the attack (dive, fight it with AA, etc) - What was the result (did the plane drop any bombs? Did it crash into ocean or did it do some other weird maneuver?) I hope to pinpoint planes and situation that lead to least satisfying results, and use this to improve their behaviour by further tweaking either the script or plane parameters. Final note on credits: as noted above, I was working on version of the script created by TheDarkWraith and included in TWoS megamod, so most of the script is TDW's work, I just changed parts that led to buggy behaviour (specific info on changes made is in comments within script file). __________________ An elemental spirit summoned up from the Sea of Lament itself and given one purpose, one skill, one desire... to sail! Or, to model hulls and adjust damage zones if no sailing jobs are open. My mods: Little Ships, Air Force

01-31-23, 07:47 PM	#4
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	I am quite busy right now kapuhy, but if I can finish up a few things and get back to having fun actually playing the game, I'll do some reports. But it will be at least several weeks before I can. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

02-01-23, 03:06 AM	#5
GrenSo Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Germany Posts: 840 Downloads: 583 Uploads: 7	Maybe I will have time on this weekend. But without guarantee. __________________ Best regards, GrenSo “Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind.” - J.F.K. ° GrenSo's Stopwatch ° GrenSo's Compass ° GrenSo's Gramophone ° Radione R3 ° ° Visible Date of Awards v1.2 for TWoS ° silentmichal's interior mod 2.0 by GrenSo °

02-01-23, 04:42 AM	#6
kapuhy Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 873 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 3	Thanks guys Anyways, from my own testing in single missions so far, this current version seems to improve the following: - planes more willing to drop bombs (still a lot of "dry runs" but there should be a bomb dropped on player within 1-5 minutes of plane getting in range though efficiency varies from plane to plane) - way faster turning back for another attack, which also means they keep you in range of their machine guns for better suppression - planes attempt to drop bomb on place where U-Boat has just dived, and while they almost always miss it's still better than immediately breaking off the moment your periscope hides under water Downsides: - weird maneuvers that sometimes lead to stalling (especially with level bombers) - accuracy in bomb drops is poor. __________________ An elemental spirit summoned up from the Sea of Lament itself and given one purpose, one skill, one desire... to sail! Or, to model hulls and adjust damage zones if no sailing jobs are open. My mods: Little Ships, Air Force

01-31-23, 05:33 PM	#2
Muckenberg Planesman Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 193 Downloads: 527 Uploads: 0	Hello, I will keep you updated. I just started Happy Times.