Comments or concerns regarding the Ukrainian flag SUBSIM logo

Onkel Neal · 04-17-22, 02:04 PM

I would normally put a PSA thread in Comments to SUBSIM but I suspect the discussion over this could veer political, so it's here. For now.

I have had a couple (actually several) members question me about adopting the blue/yellow Ukrainian SUBSIM banner. This is the answer I have given them:

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I just want you to know that I am not against Russian Subsim members, not at all. I love Russian people, they are very clever.
The Subsim banner has the Ukrainian flag because I support stopping the war and killing in Ukraine.
If someone was to invade Russia unprovoked, I would have the white, blue, and red Russian flag there.

This war needs to end, Russia has no business in Ukraine.

Jeff-Groves · 04-17-22, 02:11 PM

Good on you Neal.
I have friends made here at SubSim that are Russian. I have NOTHING AGAINST the Russain People.
But the War needs to stop!

mapuc · 04-17-22, 02:15 PM

It's not the ordinary Russian I dislike it is their leader who have put them in this mess.

Markus

Von Due · 04-17-22, 02:26 PM

Just echoing what's been said already. Flying the Ukrainian flag is to take a stand in regards to the war, not the Russian people. Their leaders are a bunch of [CENSORED] but the same can be said about prettymuch any leader anywhere. The war has to stop and both Russia and Ukraine has to come out of it standing, preferably together and not alone.

Skybird · 04-17-22, 02:33 PM

Russians who are disgusted by this war, who do not defend Putin's fascism, and who are opposed to the Russian state dictatorship and the nationalist megalomania, I have no problems with them and I would continue to deal with them as before, if I knew Russians at the moment. I had Russian acquaintances a long time ago, but currently no longer.

But with Russians, who defend Putin, find the war good and follow the nationalistic propaganda noise, with such I want to have as much to do as with German Nazis or Mohammeddan purists or martial racist nationalists of any colour or any other inhuman fanatics: namely nothing, absolutely nothing.

In other words, the question for me is not whether some Russian is russian or not, obviously as a Russian he/she is Russian then. The question that decides my attitude towards this person is how this Russian thinks about Putin and his nationalistic fascism.

I think that is consistent. That is transparent. That's fair. That is reasonable.

P.S. Russia currently sees a massive brain drain, especially from the IT sector. Many young Russians and families try to flee from Putin's Russia as long as they still can, they fear what is coming after this war - in Russia. Severla hundred thosuand Russians have already fled form Russia. And they flee from Putin and the restoration of the Stalinist-Sovjet tyranny he brings back. Why would we want to see them as enemies? They are victims, too.

Buddahaid · 04-17-22, 06:41 PM

Showing up in lots of places.

Reece · 04-17-22, 07:19 PM

Agree with your thoughts Neal, the banner is in good taste.

Dargo · 04-17-22, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I would normally put a PSA thread in Comments to SUBSIM but I suspect the discussion over this could veer political, so it's here. For now.

I have had a couple (actually several) members question me about adopting the blue/yellow Ukrainian SUBSIM banner. This is the answer I have given them:

This war needs to end, Russia has no business in Ukraine.

Could not agree more

04-17-22, 02:11 PM	#2
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Good on you Neal. I have friends made here at SubSim that are Russian. I have NOTHING AGAINST the Russain People. But the War needs to stop! __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

04-17-22, 02:15 PM	#3
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,891 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	It's not the ordinary Russian I dislike it is their leader who have put them in this mess. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-17-22, 02:33 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,500 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Russians who are disgusted by this war, who do not defend Putin's fascism, and who are opposed to the Russian state dictatorship and the nationalist megalomania, I have no problems with them and I would continue to deal with them as before, if I knew Russians at the moment. I had Russian acquaintances a long time ago, but currently no longer. But with Russians, who defend Putin, find the war good and follow the nationalistic propaganda noise, with such I want to have as much to do as with German Nazis or Mohammeddan purists or martial racist nationalists of any colour or any other inhuman fanatics: namely nothing, absolutely nothing. In other words, the question for me is not whether some Russian is russian or not, obviously as a Russian he/she is Russian then. *The question that decides my attitude towards this person is how this Russian thinks about Putin and his nationalistic fascism.* I think that is consistent. That is transparent. That's fair. That is reasonable. P.S. Russia currently sees a massive brain drain, especially from the IT sector. Many young Russians and families try to flee from Putin's Russia as long as they still can, they fear what is coming after this war - in Russia. Severla hundred thosuand Russians have already fled form Russia. And they flee from Putin and the restoration of the Stalinist-Sovjet tyranny he brings back. Why would we want to see them as enemies? They are victims, too. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-17-22, 06:41 PM	#6
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,560 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Showing up in lots of places. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

04-17-22, 07:19 PM	#7
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,750 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Agree with your thoughts Neal, the banner is in good taste. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-17-22, 02:26 PM	#4
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,660 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Just echoing what's been said already. Flying the Ukrainian flag is to take a stand in regards to the war, not the Russian people. Their leaders are a bunch of [CENSORED] but the same can be said about prettymuch any leader anywhere. The war has to stop and both Russia and Ukraine has to come out of it standing, preferably together and not alone.