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Old 01-27-23, 11:57 AM   #5281
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Gotcha - I hope... lol - Does this look a bit closer then?



That is the place, alright.

Note that I "cheated" and used the arrow key "spy" camera when I first got the sonar contact message, or maybe it was the radar contact, and saw the tanker. When I "paged" through the other contacts behind the tanker, I observed the odd rocking and rolling, and the too-high floating on the last two. I had not initiated contact or attempted to attack before noticing the oddness in the escorts. Hope that helps!
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Old 01-28-23, 10:05 AM   #5282
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OK, thanks... I set the group to 100% spawn every 24 hours and parked myself just east of the "strait" there, and watched four groups in a row not have any trouble (got sunk twice). Generally, when a group spawns as you encountered, there is something "off" in the group's config somewhere, but I haven't found anything as of yet. I'm done with the look-see testing, and will "dive" into the text stuff further, and maybe spreadsheet the waypoint speeds all of the way, and look at a few other points in the file. The group is such that it has a 12 knot max, so if there is a waypoint somewhere in its journey that exceeds that speed, it can lead to trouble spawning "cleanly". My guess though is that there are too many "escorts", and escorts in the Silent Hunter games like to flit about the place, running into each other or their charges as they do their pirouettes and knuckles... I'll probably eliminate the 90 degree course changes, as that possibly contributes to what you had.
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Old 01-31-23, 12:02 PM   #5283
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On January 9, 1945 Balao arrived in home port of NAB Manus Island. Decided I wanted to be closer to the "action" so I requested a transfer to Guam on January 10, 1945. The transfer was approved.

So imagine my surprise when after getting orders to head to Convoy College I was now at Mios Woendi. It was also now shown as my Home Port.

Teleportation is wonderful, but they could at least give a guy a little warning! The question is: is there a file problem somewhere that confuses Guam with Mios Woendi? Not an urgent matter. Thanks!
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On January 9, 1945 Balao arrived in home port of NAB Manus Island. Decided I wanted to be closer to the "action" so I requested a transfer to Guam on January 10, 1945. The transfer was approved.

So imagine my surprise when after getting orders to head to Convoy College I was now at Mios Woendi. It was also now shown as my Home Port.

Teleportation is wonderful, but they could at least give a guy a little warning! The question is: is there a file problem somewhere that confuses Guam with Mios Woendi? Not an urgent matter. Thanks!
so, Jan 10, 1945 you are home ported at Manus Island and request transfer to Guam and when you start your mission on what-date(?) your home base is Mios Woendi?

well, at first glance, i'd say you have mod-soup, because....Guam, once established, never expires as a home base. with that fact, there is no reason for you to be auto-transferred away from Guam to any other home base.

second question, and there is no offense intended here, could you have mis-clicked when requesting transfer and accidently clicked on Mios Woendi and not on Guam, as intended?
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Old 01-31-23, 01:24 PM   #5285
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On January 9, 1945 Balao arrived in home port of NAB Manus Island. Decided I wanted to be closer to the "action" so I requested a transfer to Guam on January 10, 1945. The transfer was approved.

So imagine my surprise when after getting orders to head to Convoy College I was now at Mios Woendi. It was also now shown as my Home Port.

Teleportation is wonderful, but they could at least give a guy a little warning! The question is: is there a file problem somewhere that confuses Guam with Mios Woendi? Not an urgent matter. Thanks!
When you are based at BaseOne, you are assigned BaseOne missions. But this occurs when you come back in from patrol, NOT as you go out on patrol. So you are at BaseOne on January 9, 1945 (Manus). The game will go at least 17 days between patrols. That is January 26, but it can go longer. I do not remember the upper limit... Anyway, at Manus, the Gato transfers out automatically on 1945-02-16, and is set to go to SubicBay, which becomes active 1945-02-14. Guam is active 1944-10-07 to NULL, and the Gato is allowed there the same dates. Mios Woendi, which is a SpecOps site, is active from 1944-08-18, and the Gato is transferred out of there on 1945-02-16, automatically transferring to SubicBay also...

The arrival at BaseOne (again, Manus) on January 9, 1945 gets you another Manus assignment (or ~SHOULD~), which then will show a January 10 date... your sail date will be no sooner than January 28, but should still be a Manus assignment, which should be for the South China Sea, even if you transfer to Pearl Harbor from there... of which, if you did that, you should have the SCS assignment, but start from Pearl. Since you attempted a transfer to Guam, you should have Guam as home port, but still be assigned the SCS...

I'll double-check any possible date "bleeds" that might be causing you the issue...
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Old 01-31-23, 01:34 PM   #5286
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hey PB,

couple of things to go over.
started a new career with an S-boat, out of Manila/Cavite (i forget which).
was assigned the SBoatSou03 mission.
ran out of torpedoes TWICE, trying to sink two Kongos in Lingayen Gulf. Got one. no idea how the other one stayed afloat, but it did.



secondly, and more importantly, as we were making our way to Watching Point, we received a message that cancelled the remainder of the mission and ordered us to Surabaya to end the mission. that would be great, except that our home base was Tilatjap and not Surabaya. Message arrived on January 4 and we were south of Makassar straits when we received it.

Lastly, as we were making our way around Java, we passed Merak and look what we discovered.


there was no obvious violence between forces. maybe they were playing pinochle and drinking scotch with a sake chaser. probably one of those date things.
Issue #1 for the Kongo in Lingayen Gulf is the Mark 10 torpedo is not very "robust", and while you might sometimes sink a Kongo with 4 Mark 14, it often takes 6+ with the Mark 10, unless you get all good hits. The Kongo is one of the original FOTRS ships with the NSM model on it, so you have to hang around longer, and/or you also have to keep pumping torpedoes into the ship, because their "damage control" can sometimes stop the leaking, and might even get the ship underway, unless you do not allow them the time to do so.

As for #2 and #3 combined, you did not follow orders if you went to the West of Java Island and saw the original SH4 HarborTraffic at Merak left in FotRSU... - But yes, Merak (and other harbors in the area) apparently give the Japanese a head-start in their occupations. Also, that SBoatSou03 is an early FotRSU mission assignment with "specific" wording left from before the mod enabled Mariveles (your probable Start base) and Tilatjap. Wording is now changed, and consider yourself notified via proper USN communication channels of such. Strike the "PER ORDERS COMSUBSAF YOU ARE TO RETURN IMMEDIATELY TO SURABAYA JAVA DEI TO END PATROL X" and change it to read "PER ORDERS COMSUBSAF YOU ARE TO RETURN TO CURRENT ASSIGNED BASE IMMEDIATELY TO END PATROL X" Make changes in ink. Be governed accordingly...
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so, Jan 10, 1945 you are home ported at Manus Island and request transfer to Guam and when you start your mission on what-date(?) your home base is Mios Woendi?

well, at first glance, i'd say you have mod-soup, because....Guam, once established, never expires as a home base. with that fact, there is no reason for you to be auto-transferred away from Guam to any other home base.

second question, and there is no offense intended here, could you have mis-clicked when requesting transfer and accidently clicked on Mios Woendi and not on Guam, as intended?
Guys, notice I said I was in Balao, not Gato. And I forgot to include that I was ordered to start the mission to Convoy College (the assignment made by the system upon arrival at Manus Island) the departure date was February 2, 1945.

The transfer was indeed requested to go to Guam, but the departure on 2/2/45 was from Mios Woendi. To verify that I did not fat key the transfer request, I went back to the save taken upon arrival at NAB Manus Island, processed promotions and medals, took another save, and then requested a tranfer to Guam. Again the assigned mission started on 2/2/45 from Mios Woendi. I have not changed my configuration since at least 5 careers ago. This is the first time I requested a transfer to Guam from Manus in any career.

I do not believe I have a mod soup situation. These have been stable since going to the last version of SH4-FOTRSU.

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.5.0.150
[G:\Ubisoft\Silent_Hunter_IV\MODS]

100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8
101_Nippon_Maru_v1.9_FotRSU
102_Nihon Kaigun v1.2_FotRSU
103_Combined Roster
101_FotRSUv18_FixPak
104_JP_SoyoMaru_fix
105_FI-OQ_FotRSU_v1.8f_upcPatch
305_LessJapaneseAirRadar
399c1_NoScrollNavMap - Same Sized Dials
450_MoonlightzSonarLines
451a_TMOstyle_NavMapDots_Nippon_Maru
451b_TMOstyle_NavMapDots_Nihon_Kaigun
525_StickieCamera
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851_Yel_FotRSU_Logo
901_Strategic_Map_Symbols
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Guys, notice I said I was in Balao, not Gato. And I forgot to include that I was ordered to start the mission to Convoy College (the assignment made by the system upon arrival at Manus Island) the departure date was February 2, 1945.

The transfer was indeed requested to go to Guam, but the departure on 2/2/45 was from Mios Woendi. To verify that I did not fat key the transfer request, I went back to the save taken upon arrival at NAB Manus Island, processed promotions and medals, took another save, and then requested a tranfer to Guam. Again the assigned mission started on 2/2/45 from Mios Woendi. I have not changed my configuration since at least 5 careers ago. This is the first time I requested a transfer to Guam from Manus in any career.

I do not believe I have a mod soup situation. These have been stable since going to the last version of SH4-FOTRSU.

well, then, that would cover 99% of the use cases.
i'll stare at the config again and see what i can see that i did not see.

thank you for answering!
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Guys, notice I said I was in Balao, not Gato. And I forgot to include that I was ordered to start the mission to Convoy College (the assignment made by the system upon arrival at Manus Island) the departure date was February 2, 1945.

The transfer was indeed requested to go to Guam, but the departure on 2/2/45 was from Mios Woendi. To verify that I did not fat key the transfer request, I went back to the save taken upon arrival at NAB Manus Island, processed promotions and medals, took another save, and then requested a tranfer to Guam. Again the assigned mission started on 2/2/45 from Mios Woendi. I have not changed my configuration since at least 5 careers ago. This is the first time I requested a transfer to Guam from Manus in any career.

I do not believe I have a mod soup situation. These have been stable since going to the last version of SH4-FOTRSU.

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.5.0.150
[G:\Ubisoft\Silent_Hunter_IV\MODS]

100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8
101_Nippon_Maru_v1.9_FotRSU
102_Nihon Kaigun v1.2_FotRSU
103_Combined Roster
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well, TB, i duplicated your conditions:
January 1945
Balao Command
Manus Home Base
Transfer to Guam
Next Mission to Convoy College
Start Mission
Except we were NOT transferred to Mios Woendi.

do you have a drop box where you can send a copy of your Flotillas.Upc file?
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well, TB, i duplicated your conditions:
January 1945
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Manus Home Base
Transfer to Guam
Next Mission to Convoy College
Start Mission
Except we were NOT transferred to Mios Woendi.

do you have a drop box where you can send a copy of your Flotillas.Upc file?
No, but I could zip it and email it. Can you PM me with your email address?
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No, but I could zip it and email it. Can you PM me with your email address?
done.
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Done. File sent via email.
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I found the hole that the transfer crawled through, and it is the fact that the missions for the Balao at Manus Island are "finished" on 1945-01-31, while your departure date is 1945-02-02. There is a mission for the South China Sea for the Balao boat at Mios Woendi, which is why you ended up there. You would be there whether you transferred or not... The game assigns the next mission upon arrival, so there was no mission at Manus to grab, so it took you to Mios. But, since you intervened and wanted to transfer to Guam, the game got really confused and gave you a Luzon Straits CP mission, but left you at Mios Woendi. This somewhat reminds me of



Issue found and resolved in the next release. Now, go on the mission, and your base might change to Subic Bay on 1945-02-15... then again, it might not.
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I found the hole that the transfer crawled through, and it is the fact that the missions for the Balao at Manus Island are "finished" on 1945-01-31, while your departure date is 1945-02-02. There is a mission for the South China Sea for the Balao boat at Mios Woendi, which is why you ended up there. You would be there whether you transferred or not... The game assigns the next mission upon arrival, so there was no mission at Manus to grab, so it took you to Mios. But, since you intervened and wanted to transfer to Guam, the game got really confused and gave you a Luzon Straits CP mission, but left you at Mios Woendi. This somewhat reminds me of

Issue found and resolved in the next release. Now, go on the mission, and your base might change to Subic Bay on 1945-02-15... then again, it might not.
not to belabor the point, as you may well have described the situation.

however, Manus is defined to stay available until the end of the war as a base and the Balaos can be based there until 1945-02-17.
TB's next mission began on 1945-02-02 which is two weeks before his boat's expiration date at Manus.

question for TB: when did you notice that your transfer to Guam was intercepted by Mios...at the departure screen where you choose from which location to start, at the dock or out to sea or after you had started the mission and noticed the new location on the Nav Map?
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He went to Mios because Manus did not have a mission to give him when he arrived back from patrol, and was then "auto-transferred" because of the need for a mission, which is a better alternative than a retirement or CTD. Also, Mios is closer to Manus than Guam. Why the game was further confused when he requested basically another transfer with his Guam choice, and then got a CenPac mission, I don't understand, but it is easy to see why he ended up at Mios Woendi. It's the old v1.5 fix for the repeating mission issue that the game used to have.
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