SES Jutland is out

[PeriscopeDepth]

The demo is at:
http://stormeaglestudios.com/public/...nloads_v2.html

PD

[Raptor1]

*cheers*

See it's a little less pricey than DG as well

[CaptHawkeye]

Now to find out how much more successful, if at all, the HSF could have been if that retard Wilhelm wasn't running the show.

"Hey everybody, I wanna have this huge battlefleet and then never use it."

[turnerg]

Alright, where's Horsa at? We tried for over a year or so to make Destroyer Command work like jutland....

[Task Force]

WO HOO, finaly. I wonder what the demo has instore.

[difool2]

Yeah, there's been a small sh*tstorm on some of the other wargaming boards that I frequent about this DRM stuff. The game certainly intrigued me, but this "phone home every seven days or your copy stops working" stuff is way beyond the pale. Considering that this is a small publisher, they are likely losing more legitimate sales than the ones they would "lose" via piracy. They've also apparently isolated themselves from the community by refusing to engage in open discussion on their forum (and if you don't own the game then forget it). And the typos on the main site are unintentionally hilarious. A tragicomedy to be sure.

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by CaptHawkeye

Now to find out how much more successful, if at all, the HSF could have been if that retard Wilhelm wasn't running the show.

"Hey everybody, I wanna have this huge battlefleet and then never use it."

How, exactly, was Wilhelm related to this?

AFAIK Wilhelm relied heavily on his generals for advice in the war matters, so the blame should probably fall squarely Tirpitz

Oh, and don't forget the British had the same attitude

EDIT: Oh, just read that after the Battle of Heligoland Bight the Kaiser decided that the fleet should hold back so as to not sustain severe losses, so you're probably right (In the fact that it was Wilhelm's decision not to employ the HSF more aggressively, that is)

Anyway, I hate annoying DRM as well, but as long as they don't limit my playing to a few installs or some such things I'm not gonne pass up the game for it

[Task Force]

hmmm whats the diffrence between the pro and the normal edition.:hmm:

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Task Force

hmmm whats the diffrence between the pro and the normal edition.:hmm:

The Pro version version has the full 1916 campaign (As opposed to the smaller May 1916 campaign that focuses solely on the Battle of Jutland), and a battle editor

I just bought the Pro version BTW

[Task Force]

Now where to get the money.:hmm:

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Task Force

Now where to get the money.:hmm:

Wear a fake beard and a KLM uniform and you can raise money selling fake color pictures of Alfred von Tirpitz

[Task Force]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Wear a fake beard and a KLM uniform and you can raise money selling fake color pictures of Alfred von Tirpitz

Great Idea.:rotfl:

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

How, exactly, was Wilhelm related to this?

AFAIK Wilhelm relied heavily on his generals for advice in the war matters, so the blame should probably fall squarely Tirpitz

Oh, and don't forget the British had the same attitude

Anyway, I hate annoying DRM as well, but as long as they don't limit my playing to a few installs or some such things I'm not gonne pass up the game for it

The Germans (even the British) had always been conservative in their naval strategy because the Germans were aware of the British number superiority. They couldn't chance losing their fleet, because just its existence as a "fleet in being" necessitated the British operate more conservatively, always taking into account in their operations what the HSF sortieing would mean.

PD

[CaptHawkeye]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

How, exactly, was Wilhelm related to this?

After Heligoland Wilhelm **** his pants, and took up the firm belief that the HSF was doomed if it left port. So he virtually banned its use. Which was pretty funny considering German media claimed that Jellicoe was a coward, whom never left Scapa Flow.

AFAIK Wilhelm relied heavily on his generals for advice in the war matters, so the blame should probably fall squarely Tirpitz

It's too bad he did listen to them. Otherwise he might have not have opted to construct one of the biggest strategic blunders in history. The High Seas Fleet.

I'm actually a fan of the HSF, but it's a subjective choice based on my liking for the KM's ship design.

Oh, and don't forget the British had the same attitude

Jellicoe kept the Grand Fleet at Sea constantly, and Beatty obsessivley hunted Sheer whenever rumors of his presense were about. Jellicoe was cautious but he was by no means a believer of the "Fleet in Being" concept.

EDIT: Oh, just read that after the Battle of Heligoland Bight the Kaiser decided that the fleet should hold back so as to not sustain severe losses, so you're probably right (In the fact that it was Wilhelm's decision not to employ the HSF more aggressively, that is)

He did lift the ban on its use after Dogger Bank. The Scouting Force couldn't operate safely without the HSF on immediate standby. Then Wilhelm, ever the self-contradictory, put the ban right back on the fleet after Jutland.

Anyway i've decided to experiment with a more aggressive strategy. It's paid off so far. I used the scouting force to ruin a large DD/CL patrol group in the channel. Only narrowly avoiding Beatty the next morning. Using Zeppelin scouting and minelaying I was able to corner a Monitor Fleet at Dover and annhiliate it with the HSF. I've lost lots of destroyers though. I can only hope i'm slowly wearing down the channel's defenses.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by CaptHawkeye

Anyway i've decided to experiment with a more aggressive strategy. It's paid off so far. I used the scouting force to ruin a large DD/CL patrol group in the channel. Only narrowly avoiding Beatty the next morning. Using Zeppelin scouting and minelaying I was able to corner a Monitor Fleet at Dover and annhiliate it with the HSF. I've lost lots of destroyers though. I can only hope i'm slowly wearing down the channel's defenses.

As I see it, that's the problem with using the HSF too aggressively. The Brits get more reinforcements while you have to make do with what you have. Eventually, once you sacrifice all your pawns (DDs) you will have to sacrifice some BBs/BCs. And you can't afford to lose any of those without being sure of striking a major blow to the British. Have you had any luck with your U-Boats? I plan to start an HSF campaign soon, and will probably do an AAR here when I do. Let us (me) know how your's is going so I may learn from your mistakes.

PD