US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 167

Rockstar · 09-17-21, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by derstosstrupp

Fwiw, the extreme right in the US supported Trump in spite of his alignment with the Republican Party, and cheered whenever Trump bucked “traditional conservatives”. They didn’t become Republicans. They hate both parties for the same reason the Nazis hated them - they view them as ineffectual. Far-right-wingers call Republicans “cucks” and “Democrats just going the speed limit”, as they typically come around to agree with the left eventually (“caving in” as they see it).

The true extreme right wing also is very much in support of socialistic policies that the Nazis implemented. Just for white people.

Proud Boys etc isn’t really the true far right. They are much more moderate than the real ones.

Even if our governments were perfect. The extremes of both ends of the political spectrums will declare it ineffectual or in the way of their cause and desire to see it replaced. I also think given a chance either one would resort to violence to further their own race or ideology. One of the reasons they are called extremists.

What I find amusing is how people here take things as if was a personal attack upon themselves to call National Socialism SOCIALISM. I just finished the two books The Vampire Economy and The Wages of Destruction and seems pretty clear to me it wasn’t a secret code for right wing Trump supporting capitalists.

As you said: “I do not view the evils of that regime as lying in their socialism. The evils lie elsewhere.” Very true there are many if not all aspects of socialism which work just fine for a lot of countries. The evil lay in those who wield the power and their ideology, think Mein Kampf.

Even though I don’t, I know of many a person, black, white, hispanic and even one Haitian who support Trump. None of them are right wing extremists, racists, nazis or have a desire to overthrow a government. So don’t let the headlines fool anyone. Not everyone in this country are extremists just because they happen to vote for a particular person. I just hope their vote is an educated vote.

mapuc · 09-17-21, 05:12 PM

Trump supporters entering the street in Washington tomorrow Saturday.

I hope it will be a peaceful demonstration.

USA have had enough of violent demonstration.

Markus

Rockstar · 09-17-21, 06:03 PM

. IMO there seems to me to be many more people and groups taking to streets lately than just Trump supporters. Which is fine by me so long as they are peaceful gatherings and don’t tear things up.

If they start breaking things then I’m all for dropping the hammer on’em

Arlo · 09-17-21, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

. IMO there seems to me to be many more people and groups taking to streets lately than just Trump supporters. Which is fine by me so long as they are peaceful gatherings and don’t tear things up.

If they start breaking things then I’m all for dropping the hammer on’em

Right wing hate groups have violence woven into their ideology. Kinda hard to divorce them from what they love most. With their targets being anything left of them (basically anyone not in their ranks) then I'm sure there'll be accusations of the left being the cause of it all, whether anti-fascists, BLM or the Washington D.C. mothers for peace defend themselves or not.

Rockstar · 09-17-21, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Arlo

Right wing hate groups have violence woven into their ideology. Kinda hard to divorce them from what they love most. With their targets being anything left of them (basically anyone not in their ranks) then I'm sure there'll be accusations of the left being the cause of it all, whether anti-fascists, BLM or the Washington D.C. mothers for peace defend themselves or not.

I suggest you get a TIDE online data base account it’s easy. You will find all types of left and right wing groups and causes accused of violence and terror.

Arlo · 09-17-21, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

I suggest you get a TIDE online data base account it’s easy. You will find all types of left and right wing groups and causes accused of violence and terror.

Apparently not domestically.

https://www.dni.gov/files/Tide_Fact_Sheet.pdf

Arlo · 09-17-21, 07:24 PM

TRUMP WANTS GENERAL MILLEY CHARGED WITH TREASON FOR MAKING HIM LOOK STUPID

BY BESS LEVIN

SEPTEMBER 15, 2021

Something you may have gleaned over the last several years is that Donald Trump does not take criticism—constructive, real, or imagined—very well. One major example of his paper-thin skin would obviously be his reaction to the American people denying him a second term in office, which of course resulted in him inciting a violent mob to attack the U.S. Capitol. For those who’ve had their brains scrambled by the 45th president, let us just say here and now that that is not a normal way to respond to such an event. Smaller examples of Trump’s inability to deal with anyone saying anything about him less glowing than “you’re an Adonis with a 390-point IQ” would include the many times he turned on people he had hired and praised, and then, after they gave their unvarnished opinion of him, called them “dumb as a rock,” “mentally retarded,” “clueless,” or a “lowlife.”

Naturally, it was in no way surprising that his reaction to the news that General Mark Milley reportedly took steps to stop him from starting a war with China and a nuclear war with any number of countries was characteristic of Trump, i.e. bat**** crazy with a string of terrifying run-on sentences to boot.

According to The Daily Beast, after The Washington Post and CNN reported that Peril, a forthcoming book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, details a pair of calls Milley made to assure China that despite the then president being insane, the U.S. would not start a war against the country, and that if he was going to attack, Milley would give his counterpart a heads up, Trump called several close associates and demanded they go on TV to declare Milley should be charged with treason. And of course, they did:

They followed his orders as various MAGA-faithful pundits and Trumpy candidates—including Ohio U.S Senate candidate Josh Mandel, Trump-aligned TPUSA frontman Charlie Kirk, and several former Trump officials—dutifully echoed the “treason” charge on social media. And by Tuesday evening, the twice-impeached former U.S. president was on a Newsmax show cohosted by his former White House [press secretary] using the T-word. “I’ve had so many calls today saying that’s treason,” Trump told Newsmax hosts Sean Spicer and Lyndsay Keith.… “If this is true, General Milley would be a traitor to this country and should be tried for treason immediately. If true, he should be fired and tried for treason immediately,” Fox News star and informal Trump adviser Sean Hannity exclaimed later on Tuesday night, alongside an on-air graphic that blared “Benedict Milley.”

Excerpts of Woodward and Costa’s work published by the Post and CNN say that Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley—who continues on in that role under President Joe Biden—was so unnerved by Trump’s behavior in the aftermath of the insurrection and election that he believed the president was in “serious mental decline” and that the president could “go rogue.” At the time, such concerns were shared throughout the administration and one senior Trump official told The Daily Beast that the insurrection had “changed the calculus” and that “People are concerned about [the president’s] state of mind.”

Following his appearance on Newsmax, Trump released a typically deranged statement that simultaneously accused Milley of committing a treasonous act and claimed the entire story was made up, which read, in part:

If the story of “Dumbass” General Mark Milley, the same failed leader who engineered the worst withdrawal from a country, Afghanistan, in U.S. history, leaving behind many dead and wounded soldiers, many American citizens, and $85 Billion worth of the newest and most sophisticated Military equipment in the world, and our Country’s reputation, is true, then I assume he would be tried for TREASON in that he would have been dealing with his Chinese counterpart behind the President’s back and telling China that he would be giving them notification “of an attack.” Can’t do that!

The good news is that the story is Fake News concocted by a weak and ineffective General together with two authors who I refused to give an interview to because they write fiction, not fact. Actions should be taken immediately against Milley, and better generals in our Military, of which we have many, should get involved so that another Afghanistan disaster never happens again. Remember, I was the one who took out 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. Milley said it couldn’t be done!

Incidentally, Trump spoke to Woodward extensively for the veteran reporter’s 2020 book, Rage. Presumably it was the revelation in that book that the 45th president purposely lied to the country about COVID-19 that caused him to decline interview requests for Peril.

In other Milley news, the general can likely expect an earful from Trump’s conservative lackeys in Congress when he testifies later this month. Per Axios:

When Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley goes before Congress on Sept. 28, he may face some of the most hostile questioning of any modern four-star general.… The big picture: Republicans were already irate with Milley for playing a starring role in a string of recent Trump books. Even some of his friends are cringing over his extensive and high-profile scenes in these books and perceptions that he's participated on “deep background” with multiple authors. Extensive direct quotes attributed to Milley have led Republicans to accuse him of personally leaking to authors.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, cited Woodward’s and Costa’s reporting in calling for President Biden to fire Milley, accusing him of working to “actively undermine the sitting Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces.”

While Republicans may be out for blood, at present Milley’s job is apparently safe. On Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki told reporters: “I can assure you all that the president knows General Milley. He has been chairman of the Joint Chiefs for almost eight months of his presidency. They’ve worked side by side through a range of international events. And the president has complete confidence in his leadership, his patriotism, and his fidelity to our Constitution.”

Bess Levin is a politics correspondent at Vanity Fair.

Otto Harkaman · 09-17-21, 07:39 PM

all the Socialism and Fascism nonsense is a smoke screen, we are a TAC (Transactional Advertising Consortium) hating Trump sells big time, the justification for hating him is just dust bunnies. Welcome to the political version of the Kardashians or Ben and Jlo romance.

Arlo · 09-17-21, 07:49 PM

You have weird kink.

Otto Harkaman · 09-17-21, 08:00 PM

I have no idea what you posted Arlo because I've had you on ignore for awhile now, welcome to Cancel Culture

gotta love it

Oh and Bob Woodward's new book about Trump

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NEW YORK, September 23 —Simon & Schuster announced today that Bob Woodward's RAGE has sold 600,000 copies across all formats through the first week on sale in the U.S. The combined sales figure includes pre-orders, sales of print books, ebooks, audiobooks, and e-audiobooks.

Yeah baby, Trump sells

Arlo · 09-17-21, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

I have no idea what you posted Arlo because I've had you on ignore for awhile now, welcome to Cancel Culture

gotta love it

Responding was rather silly, then. Wasn't it?

Arlo · 09-17-21, 08:05 PM

Otto Harkaman · 09-17-21, 08:31 PM

play theme from Jaws....

Rockstar · 09-17-21, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Arlo

Apparently not domestically.

https://www.dni.gov/files/Tide_Fact_Sheet.pdf

You just got to know where to look. Here’s the 12 most wanted. How does that compare to Wikipedia and current headlines.

12 most wanted domestic terrorists.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt

Arlo · 09-17-21, 08:46 PM

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

09-17-21, 05:12 PM	#2492
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,919 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Trump supporters entering the street in Washington tomorrow Saturday. I hope it will be a peaceful demonstration. USA have had enough of violent demonstration. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

09-17-21, 06:03 PM	#2493
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,859 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	. IMO there seems to me to be many more people and groups taking to streets lately than just Trump supporters. Which is fine by me so long as they are peaceful gatherings and don’t tear things up. If they start breaking things then I’m all for dropping the hammer on’em __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

09-17-21, 07:24 PM	#2497
Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	TRUMP WANTS GENERAL MILLEY CHARGED WITH TREASON FOR MAKING HIM LOOK STUPID BY BESS LEVIN SEPTEMBER 15, 2021 Something you may have gleaned over the last several years is that Donald Trump does not take criticism—constructive, real, or imagined—very well. One major example of his paper-thin skin would obviously be his reaction to the American people denying him a second term in office, which of course resulted in him inciting a violent mob to attack the U.S. Capitol. For those who’ve had their brains scrambled by the 45th president, let us just say here and now that that is not a normal way to respond to such an event. Smaller examples of Trump’s inability to deal with anyone saying anything about him less glowing than “you’re an Adonis with a 390-point IQ” would include the many times he turned on people he had hired and praised, and then, after they gave their unvarnished opinion of him, called them “dumb as a rock,” “mentally retarded,” “clueless,” or a “lowlife.” Naturally, it was in no way surprising that his reaction to the news that General Mark Milley reportedly took steps to stop him from starting a war with China and a nuclear war with any number of countries was characteristic of Trump, i.e. bat**** crazy with a string of terrifying run-on sentences to boot. According to The Daily Beast, after The Washington Post and CNN reported that Peril, a forthcoming book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, details a pair of calls Milley made to assure China that despite the then president being insane, the U.S. would not start a war against the country, and that if he was going to attack, Milley would give his counterpart a heads up, Trump called several close associates and demanded they go on TV to declare Milley should be charged with treason. And of course, they did: They followed his orders as various MAGA-faithful pundits and Trumpy candidates—including Ohio U.S Senate candidate Josh Mandel, Trump-aligned TPUSA frontman Charlie Kirk, and several former Trump officials—dutifully echoed the “treason” charge on social media. And by Tuesday evening, the twice-impeached former U.S. president was on a Newsmax show cohosted by his former White House [press secretary] using the T-word. “I’ve had so many calls today saying that’s treason,” Trump told Newsmax hosts Sean Spicer and Lyndsay Keith.… “If this is true, General Milley would be a traitor to this country and should be tried for treason immediately. If true, he should be fired and tried for treason immediately,” Fox News star and informal Trump adviser Sean Hannity exclaimed later on Tuesday night, alongside an on-air graphic that blared “Benedict Milley.” Excerpts of Woodward and Costa’s work published by the Post and CNN say that Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley—who continues on in that role under President Joe Biden—was so unnerved by Trump’s behavior in the aftermath of the insurrection and election that he believed the president was in “serious mental decline” and that the president could “go rogue.” At the time, such concerns were shared throughout the administration and one senior Trump official told The Daily Beast that the insurrection had “changed the calculus” and that “People are concerned about [the president’s] state of mind.” Following his appearance on Newsmax, Trump released a typically deranged statement that simultaneously accused Milley of committing a treasonous act and claimed the entire story was made up, which read, in part: If the story of “Dumbass” General Mark Milley, the same failed leader who engineered the worst withdrawal from a country, Afghanistan, in U.S. history, leaving behind many dead and wounded soldiers, many American citizens, and $85 Billion worth of the newest and most sophisticated Military equipment in the world, and our Country’s reputation, is true, then I assume he would be tried for TREASON in that he would have been dealing with his Chinese counterpart behind the President’s back and telling China that he would be giving them notification “of an attack.” Can’t do that! The good news is that the story is Fake News concocted by a weak and ineffective General together with two authors who I refused to give an interview to because they write fiction, not fact. Actions should be taken immediately against Milley, and better generals in our Military, of which we have many, should get involved so that another Afghanistan disaster never happens again. Remember, I was the one who took out 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. Milley said it couldn’t be done! Incidentally, Trump spoke to Woodward extensively for the veteran reporter’s 2020 book, Rage. Presumably it was the revelation in that book that the 45th president purposely lied to the country about COVID-19 that caused him to decline interview requests for Peril. In other Milley news, the general can likely expect an earful from Trump’s conservative lackeys in Congress when he testifies later this month. Per Axios: When Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley goes before Congress on Sept. 28, he may face some of the most hostile questioning of any modern four-star general.… The big picture: Republicans were already irate with Milley for playing a starring role in a string of recent Trump books. Even some of his friends are cringing over his extensive and high-profile scenes in these books and perceptions that he's participated on “deep background” with multiple authors. Extensive direct quotes attributed to Milley have led Republicans to accuse him of personally leaking to authors. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, cited Woodward’s and Costa’s reporting in calling for President Biden to fire Milley, accusing him of working to “actively undermine the sitting Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces.” While Republicans may be out for blood, at present Milley’s job is apparently safe. On Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki told reporters: “I can assure you all that the president knows General Milley. He has been chairman of the Joint Chiefs for almost eight months of his presidency. They’ve worked side by side through a range of international events. And the president has complete confidence in his leadership, his patriotism, and his fidelity to our Constitution.” Bess Levin is a politics correspondent at Vanity Fair. __________________ -Arlo

09-17-21, 07:39 PM	#2498
Otto Harkaman Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 916 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	all the Socialism and Fascism nonsense is a smoke screen, we are a TAC (Transactional Advertising Consortium) hating Trump sells big time, the justification for hating him is just dust bunnies. Welcome to the political version of the Kardashians or Ben and Jlo romance. __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

09-17-21, 07:49 PM	#2499
Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	You have weird kink. __________________ -Arlo

09-17-21, 08:05 PM	#2502
Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	__________________ -Arlo

09-17-21, 08:31 PM	#2503
Otto Harkaman Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 916 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	play theme from Jaws.... __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

09-17-21, 08:46 PM	#2505
Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence __________________ -Arlo