Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Exocet25fr]

[August]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

I think this says it quite well:

It’s hard to imagine a more foolish reason to reject support for Ukraine than the fact that the nation’s desperate leader, Volodymyr Zelensky, was photographed by Annie Leibovitz for Vogue.

And yet, the internet being the internet, this is precisely what happened. Apparently, taking time for a portrait session in between combating brutal Russian efforts to dismember his country and destroy its people is an argument for wrapping up American support for the Ukrainian war effort.


The supposed unseriousness of Zelensky — who defied predictions that he would flee when Russian tanks rolled in — has been an undercurrent of the arguments made by Russian-friendly apparatchiks.

How are we supposed to take this guy seriously when he’s doing photo shoots with Ben Stiller? How can he possibly lead his country when he’s addressing the Grammys? Why are world leaders doing photo ops with him when there are more pressing concerns, such as inflation in their own countries or rising energy prices?

Set aside the absolutely lunatic idea that a world leader cannot meet with celebrities in the midst of a global crisis — a notion the ghosts of Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt would, in all likelihood, dispute. Let’s get real: Zelensky is meeting with Western celebrities and appearing in celebrity-focused magazines because that is the only way to keep the crisis in his country at the forefront of the American public’s mind.

That’s because if the American public is not presented with a celebrity or an influencer or a model of some renown in conjunction with a story, it is likely to stop paying attention.

We have remarkably poor attention spans. And, honestly, the news out of Ukraine is a little stale. The plot has gone on a hair too long. Needed some second act trims, really: You can’t expect us to care about yet another Russian atrocity, can you? Felt like the whole thing was treading water there for a while. What is this, a Netflix show? Cut the bloat.

That’s the cold, calculated truth. Without support from the West, Ukraine will fall; its borders will be redistributed at the whim of a Russian tyrant; and its people will suffer horrors they’ve not seen since the height of the Holodomor, when the Soviet Union embarked on a campaign of forced starvation in Ukraine.

Accusing Zelensky of unseriousness is merely projection on the behalf of the American people: If anyone is to be considered unserious, it’s us. That he is taking advantage of our unseriousness is not a strike against him but a reminder that Zelensky understands the power of optics in modern war.

I’m almost less offended by the Russian stooges who simply hate Ukrainian independence and hope to see the country torn asunder in order to demonstrate that the Russian bear should not be trifled with. Their ugly opinions are to be expected.

What is more worrisome are those, particularly those on the right, who have at least nominally supported Ukraine — or, at least, haven’t actively opposed American aid being sent to the beleaguered nation and its people — but are so turned off by the fact that Zelensky would appear in Vogue, a known habitat of the celebritum liberalis, that, well, it makes them reconsider the whole endeavor.

If your support for Western democracy is so decrepit that it collapses the moment one of its leaders steps in front of Leibovitz’s Hasselblad, then it really doesn’t matter what happens in Ukraine: The West is already lost.

Instead of getting mad at a desperate politician trying to save his country from destruction, perhaps you can redirect your agita toward the country that is reducing Ukrainian cities to rubble and forcibly relocating its people to all corners of the Russian landmass. There are villains in this conflict. Volodymyr Zelensky isn’t among them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ibovitz-smart/

[Exocet25fr]

The villains in this conflict are the anglo saxon: usa with cia and their little slave doggie with mi6 !

Be serious!, Russians shell and destroyed their own positions, their own pipelines, their own bridge, and now they have their own GUANTANAMO and give viagra to violate ukrainian women?, our, EUROPEAN aren't stupid!

So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

[August]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

The villains in this conflict are the anglo saxon: usa with cia and their little slave doggie with mi6 !

Be serious!, Russians shell and destroyed their own positions, their own pipelines, their own bridge, and now they have their own GUANTANAMO and give viagra to violate ukrainian women?, our, EUROPEAN aren't stupid!

So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

Ukrainians aren't Russians any more than the French are Russians.

[les green01]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

The villains in this conflict are the anglo saxon: usa with cia and their little slave doggie with mi6 !

Be serious!, Russians shell and destroyed their own positions, their own pipelines, their own bridge, and now they have their own GUANTANAMO and give viagra to violate ukrainian women?, our, EUROPEAN aren't stupid!

So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

guess i will spell your garbage out for you BS only villains in this mess is putin and his lapdogs but if you want your nose so far up putin behind then that is on you

[Reece]

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

The villains in this conflict are [blah]
So Russian vs Russian don't need ennemies...!

Not if they have such good friends in FrancZe

[Jimbuna]

Putin 'wants to end war' but Ukrainian bargaining power getting stronger, expert claims

The war in Ukraine has now raged on for more than 270 days with President Volodymyr Zelensky declaring that Ukraine "will endure" at a speech marking the country's national day of Dignity and Freedom. But John Bolton, the former assistant to the President for American National Security Affairs, has claimed Putin will seek to appear as if he is willing to engage in peace talks in order to keep the land already taken from Ukraine - rather than allow a Ukrainian victory.

Speaking to Times Radio on November 17, Mr Bolton explained that Putin is attempting to convince Europe he is looking for a way to end the war in a bid to split NATO and keep the territory he has taken so far.

As it stands, Ukraine has won back more than half the territory Russia captured since the beginning of the war according to the Institute for the Study of War's data.

Russia recently suffered a major setback after it lost the city of Kherson with Putin incurring a further blow at the beginning of October when the bridge between Russia and annexed Crimea was severely damaged in an explosion.

Mr Bolton said if Putin wants to split Europe - as he believes he does - and keep the status quo on the ground as it is now, he must engage in talks now.

He explained: "I believe what [Putin's] trying to do is convince people, Europeans in particular, that he is looking for a way to end this war, he's hoping to fragment the Western alliance and I think he believes he can outtalk Zelensky.

"Zelensky has rejected this alternative in the past and I would tell him to reject it again. I think Ukraine's bargaining posture here gets stronger every day that goes by."

Putin's war is not going as he had hoped with Mr Bolton claiming Russia's military performance is not showing "signs of improvement", meaning the Russian leader may resort to emerging with the status quo.

However, sources told the Daily Mail that President Zelensky will only be open to peace talks with Putin if all Ukrainian territory is reclaimed.

A poll conducted in September by Gallup found that 70 percent of Ukrainians want the war to continue until they achieve victory with 91 percent saying "victory" means all Ukrainian territory seized by Russia is recaptured, including Crimea.

But Mr Bolton warned that Putin may rely on the fact that the rest of the world may not be as resolute as the economic outlook continues to worsen.

Chancellor Jeremy Hunt announced last week that the UK will be sending £2.3billion to Ukraine.

The Russian President's invasion of Ukraine has also affected the energy crisis with gas and electricity increasing by "eight times their historic average", Mr Hunt explained during the autumn statement.

Mr Bolton continued: "I think Putin is trying to drive up the cost of the war economically. Ukrainian resolve is not going to be broken on this attack on their electrical power generation infrastructure but somebody's going have to pay to replace it.

"In the face of recession, both Europe and the United States are going to face, hoping that our resolve will crack even if Ukrainians' doesn't it."

According to the Government website, more than 40 percent of Ukraine's energy infrastructure has been damaged or completely destroyed by Russian attacks.

The recent strikes causing destruction to Ukraine's transmission lines, power stations, and pipelines have left ten million people without power.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...27d5d09f98f1df

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war - about 85,000 people, 2,895 tanks, 1,882 artillery systems, 5,827 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian occupiers, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of November 22, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 85,000.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 22/02 are approximately:

personnel - about 85,000 (+400) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2895 (+3) units,
armored fighting vehicles - 5827 (+5) units,
artillery systems - 1,882 (+12) units,
MLRS - 395 (+2) units,
air defense equipment - 209 (+0) units,
aircraft - 278 (+0) units,
helicopters - 261 (+0) units,
UAV of the operational-tactical level - 1537 (+0),
cruise missiles - 480 (+0),
Warships/boats - 16 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 4393 (+15) units,
special equipment - 161 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382209

[blackswan40]

I just hope the west keep supporting Ukraine and president Zelensky how ever long the road maybe its essential the west dont let Putin win.

[Jimbuna]

"Grain Agreement": 76 ships are waiting for permission to enter ports of Ukraine

As part of the "grain initiative", on Monday, November 21, three ships with agricultural products left Ukrainian ports, 76 are awaiting permission to enter.

The spokesman of the RMA, Serhii Bratchuk, said this in a commentary to Radio Liberty, Censor.NET informs.

"On Monday, three vessels left Ukrainian ports. They are transporting 90,428 tons of grain and other foodstuffs as part of the Black Sea Grain Initiative," the official said.

In addition, three dry cargoes, which passed through the humanitarian corridor on Monday, are heading to Ukrainian ports.

"76 vessels are awaiting permission to enter the ports of Ukraine, and 33 loaded dry cargoes are being prepared for inspection in Turkish territorial waters to proceed to their destinations," Bratchuk emphasized.
Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382215

Hague is deciding how to hold Russian Federation accountable for its aggression against Ukraine

Consultations were held in The Hague, Netherlands, on the mechanisms and tools of prosecution for committing the crime of aggression against Ukraine.

Ambassador of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Anton Korynevych said this in a comment to Ukrinform, Censor.NET informs.

"We worked in The Hague, actually, it was regular consultations with our Dutch partners. We are discussing various issues, in particular, regarding responsibility for the crime of aggression against Ukraine, the possibility of certain actions within the framework of the UN General Assembly, the creation of a special tribunal, how to strengthen and internationalize the national investigation and prosecution for the crime of aggression against Ukraine. All these issues are in the works, they are being discussed," he said.

Representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Justice of the Netherlands and experts took part in the consultations.

"We have held substantive consultations. We will move further along the track of finding the best options, opportunities both for the creation of a special tribunal regarding the crime of aggression against Ukraine and for strengthening the internationalization of the national investigation of the crime of aggression against Ukraine," Korynevych said.

Korynevich emphasizes that cooperation with the International Criminal Court (ICC) is also very important for Ukraine.

"I am convinced that the International Criminal Court should show good results regarding the investigation of the situation in Ukraine, it has all the tools for this. We absolutely support active cooperation with the ICC. The Special Tribunal will complement the work of the ICC. We see the special tribunal as a complementary mechanism to the ICC regarding the crime of aggression against Ukraine, a crime over which the ICC has no jurisdiction in our specific situation," he said.

The ambassador on the special assignment of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine emphasized that the crime of aggression against Ukraine "is the most obvious since the end of the Second World War.
This crime of aggression against Ukraine cannot be left unanswered, because then it would mean that any dictator can do similar things, at any time, understanding that he will not be held accountable for it, but will be limited to the responsibility of middle-level commanders for committing war crimes or crimes against humanity". Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382230

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by blackswan40

I just hope the west keep supporting Ukraine and president Zelensky how ever long the road maybe its essential the west dont let Putin win.

NATO conducts audit of all weapons to find remnants that can be transferred to Ukraine - Chernev

NATO member countries conduct audits and revisions of all weapons and ammunition to find remnants in warehouses that can be transferred to Ukraine.

As Censor.NET informs, the head of the permanent delegation of Ukraine to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly Yehor Chernev announced this on Facebook.

"We had a conversation with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg about the exhaustion of weapons and ammunition for Ukraine in Western countries. Yes, indeed, there is such a trend, because no one was preparing for such a large-scale and intense war.

But NATO makes every effort and includes all available tools so that the flow of aid not only does not decrease but also increases.

1. NATO countries conduct audits and revisions of all weapons and ammunition to find remnants in warehouses that can be transferred to Ukraine.

2. NATO, by way of exception, allowed its members not to comply with the mandatory norms for the availability of weapons and ammunition to transfer part of the intact stocks to Ukraine.

3. NATO is negotiating with the world's largest arms manufacturers on long-term contracts, calculated for months and years in advance. Part of the manufactured weapons will go to replenish the arsenals of countries that have exhausted their reserves after handing them over to Ukraine, part will go directly to us," he said.

According to Chernev, no one "is going to leave Ukraine, no matter how long the war lasts."

"NATO is ready to support us as long as necessary. And this means that in the war of resources and the arms race, Russia will definitely lose. And we will win. There are no options," he concluded. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3382251

[Rockstar]

[Exocet25fr]

About ICC and bothsides War Crimes!

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...-by-ukrainians