Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Just when you may have been thinking the Russian criminal invaders had sunk to an all time low before the eyes of the civilised world....they have likely managed to lower the bar even further.

First the dam and now the nuclear plant. [...]

If Putin orders that it is time the world goes full in against Russia. First an environmental disaster with the dam and now an international radiation "incident" spreading all over the world like with Chernobyl?
Kill them before it is too late

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

If Putin orders that it is time the world goes full in against Russia. First an environmental disaster with the dam and now an international radiation "incident" spreading all over the world like with Chernobyl?
Kill them before it is too late

If and when it is clear that Russia has plantet explosive on the roof of these 6 reactors and inside and they are going to blow it up, then I ask you-Will NATO intervene ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

If Putin orders that it is time the world goes full in against Russia. First an environmental disaster with the dam and now an international radiation "incident" spreading all over the world like with Chernobyl?
Kill them before it is too late

I.ve a tendency to agree but I doubt that is possible without going nuclear.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If and when it is clear that Russia has plantet explosive on the roof of these 6 reactors and inside and they are going to blow it up, then I ask you-Will NATO intervene ?

Markus

Think this is one of Putin's power play with the West if he blows up the ZNPP and the West does nothing, it opens the path for Putin to use nuclear weapons think that is his plan. Do not know he will do it, hope the pressure of other countries will prevent that.

The six reactors at ZNPP are not at all like the Chernobyl reactor and cannot have the same kind of accident. Chernobyl had a graphite moderator, and the building it was in was not the heavily reinforced concrete of the reactors at ZNPP. The ZNPP reactors have hard oxide fuel encased in metal, and are inside a stainless steel vessel. Chernobyl had no such vessel. The Post mentions the possibliity of a Fukushima-type accident. The reactors at Fukushima operated right up until the earthquake. The ZNPP reactors have been mostly shut down for months. That means that the Fukushima reactors were much hotter, both thermally and radiologically, than the ZNPP reactors are now. Additionally, all control was lost at Fukushima. There are measures the ZNPP operators can take to mitigate such an accident. The current understanding is that the Fukushima release was less dangerous than was believed at the time. The evacuation turned out to be more dangerous. Any or all of the ZNPP reactors could be damaged so that they would need extensive repairs or could become useless without a radiation release. There is a spent fuel pond which is less protected, but it would take expert explosive rigging to disperse the fuel rods, and they would likely disperse in chunks in the immediate vicinity of the plant, not in a cloud. It’s harder to pulverize things with explosives than might appear from movies. https://nucleardiner.wordpress.com/2...r-power-plant/

[Jimbuna]

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Think this is one of Putin's power play with the West if he blows up the ZNPP and the West does nothing, it opens the path for Putin to use nuclear weapons think that is his plan. Do not know he will do it, hope the pressure of other countries will prevent that.

IMO Putin is steadily losing the SMO, support of the Russian public and oligarchy. Destroying ZNPP I’m thinking he is trying his damndest to draw NATO into direct conflict in the hope it will rally support for him and full mobilization.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

IMO Putin is steadily losing the SMO, support of the Russian public and oligarchy. Destroying ZNPP I’m thinking he is trying his damndest to draw NATO into direct conflict in the hope it will rally support for him and full mobilization.

yes he lost power the fear/trust for him is gone, so elite will try to get rid of him and I do not think the FSB wants him anymore they seek a way to install somebody else think the Wagner mutiny was backed by them the FSB knew it would happen and did nothing. It is also the FSB that feeds Putin, not the real situation in this war.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

IMO Putin is steadily losing the SMO, support of the Russian public and oligarchy. Destroying ZNPP I’m thinking he is trying his damndest to draw NATO into direct conflict in the hope it will rally support for him and full mobilization.

Well he'd better act quick before this eedjit takes control.

Joe Biden has been mocked for backing Ursula von der Leyen as the new NATO chief.

Former Armed Forces Minister and Tory MP Mark Francois described the EU Commission president as "an absolute disaster", claiming she has a "hapless" record from her time as Germany's defence minister.

Ms Von der Leyen is said to be the US President's first-choice candidate.

He is reportedly pushing for Ms Von der Leyen to take over as the head of NATO, just weeks after Ben Wallace's candidacy for the job was blocked by the White House.

He will now lead NATO until the autumn of 2024.

Mr Francois told the Daily Express: "VDL, as she is widely known, would be an absolute disaster as NATO Sec Gen; you only have to look at her record as Germany's hapless Defence Minister to see that."

He added: "Vladimir Putin must be laughing his head off at the thought."

Yesterday, NATO allies agreed a one-year extension for Jens Stoltenberg, who has served as secretary general of the alliance since October 2014.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...d42a5de3&ei=12

[tonschk]

U.S. Confirms Ukraine Losing in Fightback Against Russia, Biden is 'Unimpressed And Unhappy'

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

Russia’s Oil and Gas Revenue Fell by Over a Quarter in June

• Proceeds from oil and gas taxes declined to 529 billion rubles
• Russia has been changing oil-tax system to boost revenue

Budget proceeds from oil and gas taxes dropped 26% in June from a year ago to almost 529 billion rubles ($5.84 billion), the Finance Ministry said Wednesday. Gas taxes fell 54% to 125.7 billion rubles, while proceeds from crude and petroleum products — which account for over 76% of hydrocarbon revenue — declined by almost a tenth to 402.8 billion rubles, according to Bloomberg calculations.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uarter-in-june

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

If Putin orders that it is time the world goes full in against Russia. First an environmental disaster with the dam and now an international radiation "incident" spreading all over the world like with Chernobyl?
Kill them before it is too late

If you compare Russian big cities and metropoles with American or European big cities and metropoles, and if you compare Western economy with Russian economy (the size of that of Italy), and compare Western population size with Russian population size - which side then has more to lose in a nuclear exchange...?

We should give Ukraine back its nuclear weapons for which we gave them guarantees that later we (including Russia) then betrayed. Lets just correct that mistake, and see Russians starting to think twice all by themselves.

[Dargo]

Maxim Tucker explains how a young Ukrainian boy from the Donbas infiltrated Russia’s military, taking out dozens of Russian soldiers right under Putin’s nose.

[Skybird]

Ukraine says it is spending more on defense this year than it had in its entire budget at all before the war. Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal says on television that the defense budget will be 1.8 trillion hryvnia ($49 billion). In contrast, the budget before the war was 1.3 trillion hryvnias. Foreign aid this year has amounted to $23 billion. [Spiegel]

Comparison: Germany just has planned 52 billion for defence in its next state budget. Considering how much both countries make of their defence budgets, the Germans with their 3 bn more should feel ashamed.

However, the European aid delieveries, namely weapons and ammo, mostly were given for free, AFAIK. The Americans gave much of their stuff for bills that later have to be paid, AFAIK.

[Dargo]

Prigozhin arrives in St Petersburg, takes back seized weapons

Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner Private Military Company (PMC), personally arrived in St Petersburg on 4 July, where the weapons seized during the searches were returned to him.

Source: Russian media outlet Fontanka with reference to sources

Quote: "On 4 July, at 17:00, a 7-Series BMW and a Land Cruiser with security guards accompanying it drove up to the building of the Federal Security Service Department of St Petersburg and [Leningrad] Oblast on Liteyny Prospekt.

According to Fontanka, the motorcade was parked near Shpalernaya Street, 25. The back door of the BMW opened, Yevgeny Prigozhin got out and, after walking just a few metres, opened the massive doors with the sign ‘Reception’ to the right of them.

Details: According to the outlet, on Tuesday, Prigozhin was returned two Saiga rifles, an Austrian Steyr Mannlicher rifle, an AR semi-automatic rifle and several other rifles and pistols.

Soon he got out, and the people accompanying him took out their rifles and put them in the car. The motorcade left.

A few hours earlier, the leader of Wagner PMC was officially invited to take back his weapons found during the searches on 24 June and seized in his country residence in the elite cottage village of Northern Versailles. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/07/5/7409917/

Then you ask how weak Putin is, how can he allow exile Prigozhin back in Russia.