The CHN/ China thread - Page 31

ET2SN · 04-04-23, 06:35 AM

They are/were supposed to be keeping at least one SSBN at sea.

That's how SSBN-based deterrence is supposed to work.

Jimbuna · 04-05-23, 08:16 AM

The ambassador, Fu Cong, said China was not on Russia’s side in the war in Ukraine. “‘No limit’ is nothing but rhetoric,” he said, referring to a statement from last year about the countries’ relationship.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/w...a-fu-cong.html

Jimbuna · 04-06-23, 12:33 PM

mapuc · 04-06-23, 04:24 PM

Wrote this on a friends wall. Which I see as important.

Quote:

When you have to understand the actions of another country, it is very important that you do NOT proceed from your own way of thinking/thought mentality, but from the other country's way of thinking/behaving mentally.
AND this is the mistake my friends make. They think Danish while writing about China, Russia or Ukraine - just to take a few examples
They have a lot different way of thinking and acting mentally

Markus

Jimbuna · 04-07-23, 06:52 AM

Furious Beijing insists Taiwan is an 'inseparable part of China' as it sends more warships and jets near island and warns Taipei's 'future lies in the 'reunification with the motherland' amid soaring tensions with the US

Skybird · 04-07-23, 07:03 AM

At the same time Saudi Arabia caps oil production and sends oil prices soaring again, which helps Russia, also the Saudis are more or less openly engaged in closing their ties with China as well. It seems they are pissed a bit by endless moralising and lecturing by impertinent Europeans and American knows-it-better.

Not good.

Not forgetting here that no country in Africa and no country in Latin America and only very very few countries in Asia joined the West in its condemnation of Russia'S attack against Ukraine, and refuses to join calls for sanctions. The majority of this globe's countries and the majority of the people living on it are not siding with the West and against Russia.

It gets lonely around the West. The time they take Western missionising as inevitable, are over. American chaotic politics and European lecturing did and do their share to boost this trend.

Nicht wahr, Annalena...?

Skybird · 04-07-23, 09:08 AM

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/unite...ring-china-war

The world did not believe Putin when he prepared for war. Will the world learn from this and believe Xi when he prepares for war as well?

Certainly not France or the EU. Macronman wants to boost business with China again (so does Germany, but Germans were not part of the recent trip to Bejing), and Super-Uschi already switched back to the moral tutor mode and wondered why Xi almost ignored her - at least a bit more so then he was cool on Macronman's fluttering cape.

Otto Harkaman · 04-07-23, 05:13 PM

Skybird · 04-08-23, 11:18 AM

^Yep. Hard to disagree with.

Jimbuna · 04-08-23, 01:38 PM

China rehearses 'encirclement' of Taiwan with fighter jets and ships
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...es-off-taiwan/

Jimbuna · 04-09-23, 06:16 AM

Skybird · 04-09-23, 06:24 PM

Macronman speaks the French language more and more unmistakably with a strong Chinese accent.

https://www.politico.eu/article/emma...ure-interview/

While the Germans do not learn anything from their mistakes and with the greatest enthusiasm will to replace dependence on Russian supplies with dependence on supplies from China.

Reece · 04-09-23, 07:02 PM

If China has good trade relations with a country/countries surely they are less likely to attack them. Wouldn't this be a good thing?

Skybird · 04-09-23, 08:19 PM

The whole trading policy of Chiona is desiogned to make others dependent from them. And recently Xi has changed the foreign poltical dogmna and made it so that chian now accepts economic disruptions - for which I nevertheless tries to preare in advance - in favour of military action over Taiwan and the south chinese sea. The credit-ledning prigram and sil road also wwere meant tio make others depending on them. Just that the creidt trick does not work as intended and backfires to some degree.

China is not kind. It has a clear vision of seeing all world being dependent of it. To overthrow American military global dominance is part of that.

With trade contracts, China buys itself into the inner politics of other countries and buys influence. So i fear: no, having strong trade with China is no good thing at all. In these regards it has thrown the US out of Latin America, almost, and several Europeans out of Africa as well. And it aggressively widens it influence in the SE sphere.

When the Taiwain party launches, there will be no time left to send support to Taiwan the way it was done with Ukraine. The Chinese attack will be far more concentrated and destructive as the Russian one. I see that war not as "if", but "when". I do not count in decades anymore.

Jimbuna · 04-10-23, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Macronman speaks the French language more and more unmistakably with a strong Chinese accent.

https://www.politico.eu/article/emma...ure-interview/

While the Germans do not learn anything from their mistakes and with the greatest enthusiasm will to replace dependence on Russian supplies with dependence on supplies from China.

How quickly he has forgotten who freed his country in the previous world war.

04-05-23, 08:16 AM	#452
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04-06-23, 12:33 PM	#453
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04-07-23, 06:52 AM	#455
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Furious Beijing insists Taiwan is an 'inseparable part of China' as it sends more warships and jets near island and warns Taipei's 'future lies in the 'reunification with the motherland' amid soaring tensions with the US __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

04-07-23, 07:03 AM	#456
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,497 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	At the same time Saudi Arabia caps oil production and sends oil prices soaring again, which helps Russia, also the Saudis are more or less openly engaged in closing their ties with China as well. It seems they are pissed a bit by endless moralising and lecturing by impertinent Europeans and American knows-it-better. Not good. Not forgetting here that no country in Africa and no country in Latin America and only very very few countries in Asia joined the West in its condemnation of Russia'S attack against Ukraine, and refuses to join calls for sanctions. The majority of this globe's countries and the majority of the people living on it are not siding with the West and against Russia. It gets lonely around the West. The time they take Western missionising as inevitable, are over. American chaotic politics and European lecturing did and do their share to boost this trend. Nicht wahr, Annalena...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-07-23, 09:08 AM	#457
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,497 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	https://www.foreignaffairs.com/unite...ring-china-war The world did not believe Putin when he prepared for war. Will the world learn from this and believe Xi when he prepares for war as well? Certainly not France or the EU. Macronman wants to boost business with China again (so does Germany, but Germans were not part of the recent trip to Bejing), and Super-Uschi already switched back to the moral tutor mode and wondered why Xi almost ignored her - at least a bit more so then he was cool on Macronman's fluttering cape. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-04-23, 06:35 AM	#451
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,513 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	They are/were supposed to be keeping at least one SSBN at sea. That's how SSBN-based deterrence is supposed to work.

04-07-23, 05:13 PM	#458
Otto Harkaman Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 914 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	__________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

04-08-23, 11:18 AM	#459
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,497 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	^Yep. Hard to disagree with. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-08-23, 01:38 PM	#460
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	China rehearses 'encirclement' of Taiwan with fighter jets and ships https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...es-off-taiwan/ __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

04-09-23, 06:16 AM	#461
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

04-09-23, 06:24 PM	#462
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,497 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Macronman speaks the French language more and more unmistakably with a strong Chinese accent. https://www.politico.eu/article/emma...ure-interview/ While the Germans do not learn anything from their mistakes and with the greatest enthusiasm will to replace dependence on Russian supplies with dependence on supplies from China. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-09-23, 07:02 PM	#463
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,747 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	If China has good trade relations with a country/countries surely they are less likely to attack them. Wouldn't this be a good thing? __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-09-23, 08:19 PM	#464
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,497 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The whole trading policy of Chiona is desiogned to make others dependent from them. And recently Xi has changed the foreign poltical dogmna and made it so that chian now accepts economic disruptions - for which I nevertheless tries to preare in advance - in favour of military action over Taiwan and the south chinese sea. The credit-ledning prigram and sil road also wwere meant tio make others depending on them. Just that the creidt trick does not work as intended and backfires to some degree. China is not kind. It has a clear vision of seeing all world being dependent of it. To overthrow American military global dominance is part of that. With trade contracts, China buys itself into the inner politics of other countries and buys influence. So i fear: no, having strong trade with China is no good thing at all. In these regards it has thrown the US out of Latin America, almost, and several Europeans out of Africa as well. And it aggressively widens it influence in the SE sphere. When the Taiwain party launches, there will be no time left to send support to Taiwan the way it was done with Ukraine. The Chinese attack will be far more concentrated and destructive as the Russian one. I see that war not as "if", but "when". I do not count in decades anymore. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.