Windows 10: What You Need to Know - Page 13

Catfish · 08-18-15, 04:34 PM

AVG Warhawk,
sometimes i think some People are blind. Can't you see what this implies ? Just of all the US americans who boast with 'freedom', accept just of all THAT ?
You have looked for a small or used car? Or heaven forbid, for a credit ?

Good luck getting money lent, they know all of you and your financial capablities,
Data being compared and handed over between Google, eBay, Amazon, credit institutes
All being logged from your payback Habits to your personal(!) interests and general user habits (metadata), like "when does he surf the web? In the forenoon? Doen't he have a Job?! Sorry, no credit for you. And sorry, no Job for you, wen can see from your hobby and personal opinions we read you do not fit in here.

And this does not even include your political or sexual preferences, all being logged, compared and aligned.

You have no idea what they can do with all that, they can virtually destroy you, and if they decide this for whatever reason (and maybe wrong conclusions) you can do nothing against it. Next drone for you, and bye bye. No court, no defence.

Onkel Neal · 08-18-15, 07:29 PM

Hmmm.... much to think about.

Rockin Robbins · 08-18-15, 07:41 PM

I separate Google and their data mining from Microsoft's in that Google is upfront about how they collect information and why. They do give you options that are calculated to allow you to do what you want and shut off their data mining, even to the point of assuming a new identity. Google has not strong-armed hardware companies into making their hardware restrict access to other operating systems or not to dual boot with competing operating systems. A Google menu is straightforward, while Microsoft menus are for the purpose of making it difficult to do what you want to do to the point of intimidation. (Whoever heard of having to select the browser you don't want, Edge, in order to bring up the choice screen to pick Firefox. That's just perverse)

Google provides services that people want and need while Microsoft insists in telling you what you will want and need, against your will if possible. Microsoft is malware, in that it uses social engineering to induce you to be the virus that harms your machine and yourself. They can't even honestly do a simple thing like bringing the start menu back. First they pretended that all we wanted was the start BUTTON. Then they pretended that the ugly refugee from the Lego factory whose initial 18 tiles have 11 trying to induce you to buy something is a start menu. Do they think we're that stupid? According to many posts in this thread, they do and they're right. <irony> Apparently since data mining is happening we should locate the biggest, most egregious, dishonest data miner on the planet and just jump in bed with it. Probably should download some keyloggers, fake antiviruses and fake firewalls (like Comodo) while we're at it, huh? Heck, they're easy to install so they must be all right! What's the worst that could happen?</irony>

Even Facebook operates in good faith far better than Microsoft, who thinks people must be tricked into doing what they want. I think that's reprehensible in a once great company.

And Neal, I think the imperial presidency is something to be feared, no matter who occupies the office. We're right back to when LBJ personally picked bombing targets in Vietnam. The other two branches better rein in the office of President or we're in for some big trouble.

Catfish · 08-19-15, 05:28 AM

^ you do not really think, that any republican president would have had not ordered drone strikes and wiretapping ?

HunterICX · 08-19-15, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Hmmm.... much to think about.

Not me

Simple, the only thing I'm interested what Win10 has to offer is DX12, but since no game has been announced that I'm interested in is going to use it I have no reason to upgrade. So besides DX12 Win10 is just another windows that offers no other benefits for me.
It's free, sure but I don't plan to be M$ beta tester. I don't have the time to spare to troubleshoot games I own that do not work on Win10.

Rockin Robbins · 08-19-15, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ you do not really think, that any republican president would have had not ordered drone strikes and wiretapping ?

What part of "I think the imperial presidency is something to be feared, no matter who occupies the office" do you not understand? Obama merely took a policy that he disagreed with to be elected and doubled down on it. Nothing unusual. Candidates, looking from outside, criticize the imperial President. Once they are in office they are utterly corrupted by the imperial Presidency. Absolute power corrupts what?

Catfish · 08-19-15, 07:13 AM

Sorry for being a bit OT, but it is not really OT if you think about it.

What i meant is that Obama is not extreme as Mr. Bush was or Trump would be, but if Obama already does what he did, what do you think would a right-wing Hardliner do, or have done?

Power corrupts? Of course it does. In this and a lot other cases though i think, that it is not a party or the president who decides, but what you call the deep state, or likely secret services who tell the new-elected president what he has to do, to keep his seat.
Because they give a sh! to what politics or their representative wants.

Which again is, why i think, we do not have a democracy anywhere, as long as we allow those puppeteers to rule all else. Yes, it is all for a higher goal, the end justifies the means etc. blahblah, now where did i hear this before.

It is not that far with Win 10, but the path is clear. They try to and will get a perfect profile of you, complete with your habits, and they certainly will use it. If you think they do that for your good, dream on. And it is not only your shopping behaviour, or a credit:
AT&T is the NSA's Darling : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...s-2779979.html
I cannot understand how all this can be tolerated, while saying "freedom is the highest good". They also target US citizens, not only the rest of the world. We are all fair game, to them.

Jimbuna · 08-19-15, 08:53 AM

I reckon I'll just have to await the arrival of W11 or W12

Catfish · 08-19-15, 09:12 AM

Hi,
just let Win 10 loose on a spare PC, just to see, but it would not work. System is not fit for Win 10, since "the network adapter is not supported", Windows 10 installer says.
I am using a WLAN USB stick, since i do not like the cables on the floor.

Ok, this PC is one year old, but .. huh? Just of all the Network adapter??? Well i could kind of configure this adapter, maybe Windows 10 does not like that?

AVGWarhawk · 08-19-15, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

AVG Warhawk,
sometimes i think some People are blind. Can't you see what this implies ? Just of all the US americans who boast with 'freedom', accept just of all THAT ?
You have looked for a small or used car? Or heaven forbid, for a credit ?

Good luck getting money lent, they know all of you and your financial capablities,
Data being compared and handed over between Google, eBay, Amazon, credit institutes
All being logged from your payback Habits to your personal(!) interests and general user habits (metadata), like "when does he surf the web? In the forenoon? Doen't he have a Job?! Sorry, no credit for you. And sorry, no Job for you, wen can see from your hobby and personal opinions we read you do not fit in here.

And this does not even include your political or sexual preferences, all being logged, compared and aligned.

You have no idea what they can do with all that, they can virtually destroy you, and if they decide this for whatever reason (and maybe wrong conclusions) you can do nothing against it. Next drone for you, and bye bye. No court, no defence.

You lost me. Getting money lent? No worries. I just built a new home from money lent. I purchased a new car that came with a interest free loan from KIA. Daily I received credit card come-ons in my mailbox. My financial capabilities are quite good. Just as well, I wanted a new home and car. The could check via the usual credit agencies. I'm better than a "good risk". What you are saying has been done for decades. The only difference is this information can be gotten in seconds where 25 years ago it took paper and credit references from banks and other lenders. This took time and fax machines!

Political preference. Well...when you register in our state/county they ask. It is already on record. What is the issue?

Sexual preference. Again, what it the difference? The government is already in your bedroom dictating who you can lay. BFD.

Get a grip fella.

AVGWarhawk · 08-19-15, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I reckon I'll just have to await the arrival of W11 or W12

Those will have advanced data mining apps as well as holding your wallet for you.

AVGWarhawk · 08-19-15, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

What part of "I think the imperial presidency is something to be feared, no matter who occupies the office" do you not understand? Obama merely took a policy that he disagreed with to be elected and doubled down on it. Nothing unusual. Candidates, looking from outside, criticize the imperial President. Once they are in office they are utterly corrupted by the imperial Presidency. Absolute power corrupts what?

Executive orders provide the avenue to imperial presidency. Many before Obama used this as a means to an end. These not always ended well.

Jimbuna · 08-19-15, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Those will have advanced data mining apps as well as holding your wallet for you.

That means only one thing....the W stands for WIFE

AVGWarhawk · 08-19-15, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That means only one thing....the W stands for WIFE

Hope the missus is not looking over your shoulder!

Jimbuna · 08-19-15, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Hope the missus is not looking over your shoulder!

She's at work...best place for her

08-18-15, 04:34 PM	#181
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	AVG Warhawk, sometimes i think some People are blind. Can't you see what this implies ? Just of all the US americans who boast with 'freedom', accept just of all THAT ? You have looked for a small or used car? Or heaven forbid, for a credit ? Good luck getting money lent, they know all of you and your financial capablities, Data being compared and handed over between Google, eBay, Amazon, credit institutes All being logged from your payback Habits to your personal(!) interests and general user habits (metadata), like "when does he surf the web? In the forenoon? Doen't he have a Job?! Sorry, no credit for you. And sorry, no Job for you, wen can see from your hobby and personal opinions we read you do not fit in here. And this does not even include your political or sexual preferences, all being logged, compared and aligned. You have no idea what they can do with all that, they can virtually destroy you, and if they decide this for whatever reason (and maybe wrong conclusions) you can do nothing against it. Next drone for you, and bye bye. No court, no defence. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-18-15, 07:29 PM	#182
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,289 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Hmmm.... much to think about. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

08-18-15, 07:41 PM	#183
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I separate Google and their data mining from Microsoft's in that Google is upfront about how they collect information and why. They do give you options that are calculated to allow you to do what you want and shut off their data mining, even to the point of assuming a new identity. Google has not strong-armed hardware companies into making their hardware restrict access to other operating systems or not to dual boot with competing operating systems. A Google menu is straightforward, while Microsoft menus are for the purpose of making it difficult to do what you want to do to the point of intimidation. (Whoever heard of having to select the browser you don't want, Edge, in order to bring up the choice screen to pick Firefox. That's just perverse) Google provides services that people want and need while Microsoft insists in telling you what you will want and need, against your will if possible. Microsoft is malware, in that it uses social engineering to induce you to be the virus that harms your machine and yourself. They can't even honestly do a simple thing like bringing the start menu back. First they pretended that all we wanted was the start BUTTON. Then they pretended that the ugly refugee from the Lego factory whose initial 18 tiles have 11 trying to induce you to buy something is a start menu. Do they think we're that stupid? According to many posts in this thread, they do and they're right. <irony> Apparently since data mining is happening we should locate the biggest, most egregious, dishonest data miner on the planet and just jump in bed with it. Probably should download some keyloggers, fake antiviruses and fake firewalls (like Comodo) while we're at it, huh? Heck, they're easy to install so they must be all right! What's the worst that could happen?</irony> Even Facebook operates in good faith far better than Microsoft, who thinks people must be tricked into doing what they want. I think that's reprehensible in a once great company. And Neal, I think the imperial presidency is something to be feared, no matter who occupies the office. We're right back to when LBJ personally picked bombing targets in Vietnam. The other two branches better rein in the office of President or we're in for some big trouble. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 08-18-15 at 07:54 PM.

08-19-15, 05:28 AM	#184
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ you do not really think, that any republican president would have had not ordered drone strikes and wiretapping ? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-19-15, 07:13 AM	#187
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Sorry for being a bit OT, but it is not really OT if you think about it. What i meant is that Obama is not extreme as Mr. Bush was or Trump would be, but if Obama already does what he did, what do you think would a right-wing Hardliner do, or have done? Power corrupts? Of course it does. In this and a lot other cases though i think, that it is not a party or the president who decides, but what you call the deep state, or likely secret services who tell the new-elected president what he has to do, to keep his seat. Because they give a sh! to what politics or their representative wants. Which again is, why i think, we do not have a democracy anywhere, as long as we allow those puppeteers to rule all else. Yes, it is all for a higher goal, the end justifies the means etc. blahblah, now where did i hear this before. It is not that far with Win 10, but the path is clear. They try to and will get a perfect profile of you, complete with your habits, and they certainly will use it. If you think they do that for your good, dream on. And it is not only your shopping behaviour, or a credit: AT&T is the NSA's Darling : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...s-2779979.html I cannot understand how all this can be tolerated, while saying "freedom is the highest good". They also target US citizens, not only the rest of the world. We are all fair game, to them. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-19-15, 08:53 AM	#188
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,334 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I reckon I'll just have to await the arrival of W11 or W12 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-19-15, 09:12 AM	#189
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hi, just let Win 10 loose on a spare PC, just to see, but it would not work. System is not fit for Win 10, since "the network adapter is not supported", Windows 10 installer says. I am using a WLAN USB stick, since i do not like the cables on the floor. Ok, this PC is one year old, but .. huh? Just of all the Network adapter??? Well i could kind of configure this adapter, maybe Windows 10 does not like that? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.