US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Obama was seen as a threat to paint the White House black, so no surprise.

More like red.

[Catfish]

^ Black, red, born in Kenia, a socialist, a communist, a fascist, a Hippie, a muslim, a jew, homosexual, or maybe he was a woman. The real devil. Words fail, or may have to be invented to describe him.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Words fail, or may have to be invented to describe him.

I don't need to use my imagination. History may not be kind to Barack Obama. And we may learn some of that history in the coming weeks and months.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by u crank

I don't need to use my imagination. History may not be kind to Barack Obama. And we may learn some of that history in the coming weeks and months.

Funny you should say this ... Sources only known to myself say that Obama and Biden have secrets in the closet that have not been revealed as yet. Secrets that cast doubts on VP Biden's ability to lead our nation.

Probably close enough to the election that puts Trump back in the WH, but only to stay long enough to turn over to VP Pence in return for Trumps pardon.

[Skybird]

The big mistake the Democrats repeat once again:


https://translate.google.de/translat...hebung-beweise

Why should one still collect evidence against a culprit who poses with a megaphone in front of the world public and shouts: "It was me!"?


Nevertheless, the Democrats are about to engage again in the tedious game of subpoenas, correspondence, hearings and court cases. Evidently, Trump's opponents still cling to the mistaken belief that dealing with the impeachment process is mainly about legal issues. If the pile of accusations against Trump were high enough, it could improve the chances of impeachment - that's what they think. However, an impeachment procedure is not a criminal process.
Its the senators sitting in court. It is a purely political decision whether Trump is dismissed from office.

The Democrats make the same mistake as in the Mueller investigation. Special investigator Robert Mueller presented his report in April. In it, the former FBI head documented ten cases of alleged legal disability Trump. On the spot, the Democrats should have decided whether to initiate an impeachment or not. But instead of making a clear decision, they argued with the Ministry of Justice for the release of blackened passages and let Mueller to a long-winded public hearing without important findings. In the end, the Democrats could not get through to an impeachment.

The democrats act weak, without determination, and stupid. However, the red passage reveals why the system of impeahcment is not worth all the hassle at all. It has a seriosu design flaw from beginning on, at least it is a flaw as long as impeachment was never meant to be ever brought to usage in the first, but is just a fake option.

[vienna]

As the SS Trumptanic plows ahead full towards its iceberg, the crew that hasn't already wisely abandoned ship now face what I warned about in my last post: as Trump slides deeper into his self-made abyss, the minions around him are going to be used as scapegoats and patsies as Trump frantically attempts to deflect and distract from his own criminality. The latest victim would appear to be The Fraudfather's own personal attorney:

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump sought Friday to distance himself from attorney Rudy Giuliani, even casting doubts about whether the former New York mayor is still his lawyer.

Asked whether Giuliani remained his personal attorney, Trump said: “I don’t know.”

...

Donald Trump distances himself from Rudy Giuliani: 'He has been my attorney' --

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ey/3945806002/


This whole scenario has brought to my mind the phrase used by one of Nixon's top aides, John D. Ehrlichman, who, when Patrick Gray III, Nixon's nominee for FBI Director was caught up in the then growing Watergate scandal, and alleged to have destroyed key Watergate files at the behest of the Nixon White House; when it appeared Gray was going down and might take Nixon with him, Ehrlichman suggested the WH distance itself from Gray and, as Ehrlichman put it :

More chilling was Ehrlichman’s advice to Dean about L. Patrick Gray III, whose nomination as director of the FBI was stalled because members of the Senate Judiciary Committee weren’t getting satisfactory answers from him to their questions about Watergate. “Well, I think we ought to let him hang there,” Ehrlichman told Dean. “Let him twist slowly, twist slowly in the wind.” (Gray twisted for more than a month before his nomination was withdrawn.)

Words of Watergate: Part 2 --

https://dictionaryblog.cambridge.org...ergate-part-2/

Nixon loyalist became the ultimate fall guy for Watergate --


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/nixo...rgate-1.469318


Now it appears its Giuliani's turn to "twist slowly, twist slowly in the wind"...


...I wonder if the other minion's might not wise up and realize their loyalty to Trump is a one way street...








<O>

[MrMojok69]

Originally Posted by vienna

As the SS Trumptanic plows ahead full towards its iceberg, the crew that hasn't already wisely abandoned ship now face what I warned about in my last post: as Trump slides deeper into his self-made abyss, the minions around him are going to be used as scapegoats and patsies as Trump frantically attempts to deflect and distract from his own criminality. The latest victim would appear to be The Fraudfather's own personal attorney:

[vienna]

Don't really understand what point you're trying to make; I'm an independent and side with no party; in fact, I haven't even made up my mind who to vote for in 2020: the DEM field is still too scattered to see who might be their candidate and I'm still waiting to see who the GOP might run if Trump goes down in flames (and he's the one holding the matches) in the next year; if the GOP can come with a better candidate than the DEMs (and at this point, almost any GOP candidate would be a vast improvement over Trump), then I'll make a decision. One things for sure: I will not, under any circumstances, vote to reelect Trump; I care too much about this country to betray it with a vote for the incompetent idiot Trump...


Note to GOP: Think Ryan/Haley 2020...







<O>

[MrMojok69]

I didn't mean it as a jab at you personally, I meant it generally as a jab at people who voted for Trump who are now finding out that it wasn't in their best interests, and I meant it as a jab specifically at Giuliani, who you referenced in your post.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Hawk66

@August: concerning your fear of "communist hole crap"

The gini coefficient
https://www.census.gov/library/visua...ome--1967.html

is continuously on the rise the last decades, which is a KPI in science of inequality.
Your country is now on a similar level of inequality like Russia.
In the same time the US has one the highest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al)_per_capita.
That simply does not fit together.

I really do not understand why it is so tough to understand that this is one of the big roots for the political issues in your country.

I would point out that nominal GDP is a poor measure due to the local currencies often being undervalued.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by MrMojok69

I didn't mean it as a jab at you personally, I meant it generally as a jab at people who voted for Trump who are now finding out that it wasn't in their best interests, and I meant it as a jab specifically at Giuliani, who you referenced in your post.

Thanks for the response...


I actually didn't really take it all that personally since I wasn't exactly sure where it was coming from or going to: my response was intended to clarify my long held stance(s) in the event there was a lack of clarity in my intent(s); its so easy (and really very lazy) to just want characterize someone as being GOP/DEM, left/right, conservative/liberal, etc., etc., rather than having the will and honesty to actually address questions and give considered answers or viewpoints. It seems if some people find themselves in a battle of wits and they are low or out of ammo, they very often fall back on the old, tired tactic of pigeonholing, sloganeering, and/or deflection...

As far as people coming to the realization supporting Trump was probably not in their, or their party's, best interests, it would seem those in the mainstream of the GOP probably thought they had a good deal going in with someone who could seemingly generate votes and rally the party; they probably also thought, once Trump was in the White House, he would 'level out' and be controllable; the shock to the GOP was in 2018 when the Trump panacea failed miserably in the midterm elections, costing the GOP dearly; equally dearly costing was the realization they couldn't handle/control Trump and his (and his minions) many, many character failings were dragging the Party down with him; buyer's remorse is an onerous thing and even more so when you realize you've been royally taken and there is no 'return policy'...

Sadder is the effect the Trump fallout will have on those in the GOP who are otherwise responsible, decent people and probably worthy of support; its galling to be blamed out of hand for the gross misjudgements of the others in the Party who chose to cast their lot with such a loser...


Again, thanks for the response and the clarification...







<O>

[Skybird]

Turkish artillery lands impacts very near to US groudn forces in Syria, close enough that the Americnan finally evaded in a rush. Pentagon seems to believe that it was not by accident, but intention.



Erdoghan plans for a lasting presence in Syria. He fires threats at Europeans to stop calling it an offensive or an invasion. Well. Lets see what trumps promised sanctions mayhem looks like. Since Merkel put Europe at a very depending position regarding Turkey, I do not expect any noteworthy reaction by the eU, of course.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

Note to GOP: Think Ryan/Haley 2020...

That, like many other scenarios is possible but....someone will have to wave a magic wand and make Mike Pence disappear.

[Onkel Neal]

Don't worry, if the liberals manage to make Trump leave office they will turn their firehouse of madness on Pence.

[Skybird]

Having an infinite supply in basic ingredients in the form of the Democratic and the Republican party, I wonder why the US is not already global market leader in the production of bird fat balls. I mean none of the two is of any use beyond that.