Gun Control thread (merged many) - Page 14

August · 03-20-13, 08:09 AM

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Unmarried people having kids is a sign of "cultural deviancy"? Please.

In the context he's discussing yes it is.

http://www.fatherhood.org/media/cons...nce-statistics

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According to this guy, every teacher that panics or overreacts to something gun-related is a willing agent of those who would rip up the Second Amendment.

There is a lot more truth to that than you think. These aren't isolated incidents they are in the news here all the time. "Gun free zones" weren't created by people who support the public's 2A right.

Tchocky · 03-20-13, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by August

There is a lot more truth to that than you think. These aren't isolated incidents they are in the news here all the time. "Gun free zones" weren't created by people who support the public's 2A right.

I appreciate that, but holding them up as a comprehensive plan to erode the Second Amendment is silly.

It's like if I pretended Ted Nugent, Wayne LaPierre or any of a hundred certifiable gun nuts represented the mainstream opinions of gun owners.

Ducimus · 03-20-13, 08:24 AM

And this isn't over. Not by a long shot.

Holy crap Obama is cunning.

les green01 · 03-20-13, 08:25 AM

no backgrounds checks bull hockey every time I have bought a gun I had to register it and do a background check they even want to know if your on probation and all that,far as i'm concern if folks can't pass the background check the idiots don't need them.well its pass my bedtime i'm going to bed

August · 03-20-13, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I appreciate that, but holding them up as a comprehensive plan to erode the Second Amendment is silly.

It's like if I pretended Ted Nugent, Wayne LaPierre or any of a hundred certifiable gun nuts represented the mainstream opinions of gun owners.

With Nugent you might have a point but calling LaPierre "certifiable" is ridiculous. The man keeps his job because almost 5 million gun owners see him as an effective voice for them.

This is why no discussion or compromise with the anti-gun side is really possible. Poisoning the well right from the start with such rude and insulting name calling only make people defensive.

I'm tired of being called a nut and worse just because I demand the rights supposedly guaranteed to me in the constitution.

Tchocky · 03-20-13, 08:29 AM

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And this isn't over. Not by a long shot.

Holy crap Obama is cunning.

Argh. "the sole pupose of OFA is to overthrow the House in 2014"

Funny when it's your own side it happens by elections and democratic means, but when it's the other side it's all conspiracy and "overthrow".

Load of rubbish.

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Originally Posted by August

With Nugent you might have a point but calling LaPierre "certifiable" is ridiculous. The man keeps his job because almost 5 million gun owners see him as an effective voice for them.

I disagree but as you say there are plenty of NRA members who don't.

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This is why no discussion or compromise with the anti-gun side is really possible. Poisoning the well right from the start with such rude and insulting name calling only make people defensive.

I see it bad from both sides. Pro-gun types tend towards the prickly and ultra-defensive, from what I've seen. Probably because the discourse is so slanted right from the get-go.

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I'm tired of being called a nut and worse just because I demand the rights supposedly guaranteed to me in the constitution.

Last thing I'd call you is a nut.

Off to work, would type more but Father Time intervenes

03-20-13, 08:34 AM

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no backgrounds checks bull hockey every time I have bought a gun I had to register it and do a background check

So are you saying that all the exempt points of sale which idiots like LaPierre insist on keeping don't exist?
You had better check with that girl doing the youtube blogs Ducimus posted, she rants about the evil attempt to close off the loopholes which exempt sales of firearms from backround checks.

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Holy crap Obama is cunning.

I like her other videos, everyone needs to own a 4WD vehicle.

August · 03-20-13, 08:39 AM

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I see it bad from both sides. Pro-gun types tend towards the prickly and ultra-defensive, from what I've seen. Probably because the discourse is so slanted right from the get-go.

Exactly. I personally have been watching the anti-gun sides repeated attempts to gut the 2A since the 1960's. Really, how many attacks can one be subject to before one becomes justifiably prickly and ultra-defensive?

03-20-13, 08:44 AM

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how many attacks can one be subject to before one becomes justifiably prickly and ultra-defensive?

If you stick to rational counter points then there is no need to become prickly or ultra defensive.
Becoming prickly and untra defensive just means you are more liable to fall into giving emotional arguements instead of rational ones.
Once you stray into the emotonal all your rational points are lost in the nonsense which follows.

Sailor Steve · 03-20-13, 09:08 AM

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Depends on what you seek to solve I guess. From what I can see the anti-gun people only want to solve the "problem" of Americans having access to firearms. My solution is to reject that completely. That ok with you?

I agree with you. But...

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So because I prefer that our laws be crafted by reason instead of emotion that means I have no right to strong beliefs on the subject of civil liberties?

No. The problem is that sometimes your "strong beliefs" come across sounding like unreasoning emotional responses. I don't think you're a nut, but I do think sometimes you seem overly excitable. Believe it or not, I'm on your side.

Ducimus · 03-20-13, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Argh. "the sole pupose of OFA is to overthrow the House in 2014"

Funny when it's your own side it happens by elections and democratic means, but when it's the other side it's all conspiracy and "overthrow".

Load of rubbish.

My side? Do you even know what side I am on? Way to make assumptions and fan the flames.

August · 03-20-13, 09:32 AM

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I agree with you. But...

No. The problem is that sometimes your "strong beliefs" come across sounding like unreasoning emotional responses. I don't think you're a nut, but I do think sometimes you seem overly excitable. Believe it or not, I'm on your side.

Your misinterpretations are really your problem Steve, not mine.

Sailor Steve · 03-20-13, 09:38 AM

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Your misinterpretations are really your problem Steve, not mine.

Okay, I'll drop it, and even apologize. But the next time you start complaining about people "attacking" you, you might want to think about it.

Takeda Shingen · 03-20-13, 10:00 AM

We're seeing a good example of why Pride, of all things, was considered the most dangerous of the Seven Deadly Sins.

August · 03-20-13, 10:35 AM

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We're seeing a good example of why Pride, of all things, was considered the most dangerous of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Care to explain that comment?

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