New Computer (Again) - Page 2

Arclight · 05-21-10, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike88

Since I'm planning on using a 64bit Windows7, isn't the max ram like 10gigs or the like?

Yeah, I'd at least get Premium, though I'd be impressed if 8GB isn't enough.

Starter: 8GB
Home Basic: 8GB
Home Premium: 16GB
Professional: 192GB
Enterprise: 192GB
Ultimate: 192GB

Spike88 · 05-21-10, 01:33 PM

@Firewall: The case has already shipped, and I think you misunderstood me, the case I'm getting is built for liquid cooling, as well as fan cooling.

@Archlight: I'm probably going to get Ultimate, just because I like bells and whistles.

Arclight · 05-21-10, 02:41 PM

Personally I wanted Professional, but I ended up with Ultimate as well; was only €20,- more, so why not.

FIREWALL · 05-22-10, 11:21 AM

@ Spike88

Any new news on build ?

Spike88 · 05-22-10, 03:30 PM

Nothing new, waiting for the case to arrive. I'm definitely going with the i7 930, just need to find the mobo I want to go with. I also need to get around reading about SLI.

Arclight · 05-22-10, 06:04 PM

Imho more trouble than it's worth, but that's because my energy-bill is high enough as it is.

Spike88 · 05-22-10, 06:36 PM

Anyone else feel the same way? If so I'll just got with a single graphics card.

FIREWALL · 05-22-10, 07:00 PM

IMO with the cards out there today. When it comes to SLI or Crossfire.

Only the Video Card, Mobo, and Power Supply makers are the Winners.

Arclight · 05-22-10, 07:12 PM

Well, it's nice and all, but it has some things to consider:

Power consumption, obviously.

Not all games play nice with it, so you can use just 1 card. New games often take a while to get proper support.

2 cards are noisier than 1, and produce more heat, putting more stress on your cooling solution.

You don't get 200% performance, more like 150% in good case scenario, while price still doubles (need bigger PSU, can save some money by not getting 2 high-end cards but mainstream).

Performance scales with resolution; the higher the resolution, the higher the performance gain. You might need a more expensive monitor to really benefit from it.

(to recap, basically pro: high resolution gaming with high quality-settings. Con: high entry price and maintenance, bit more likely to stumble into issues with specific games)

I'd say if you want to game at very high resolutions with all the bells and whistles, it's worth it. If you're OK with lower resolution, than a single high-end card might be better. If graphics are not a major factor, get a decent mainstream one.

Imho the biggest benefit is not the performance in the short term, but in the long term: I have a 8800GTS 512, still going strong. Something like SH5 maxed out with 8x AA and 1280x960 resolution (considered low to medium these days), acceptable frame-rates (30-ish). It's 2 years old, and I feel like it's time for an upgrade.

With SLI, you can put off an upgrade longer, because you have more graphical horsepower to play with. As time goes by, the graphics card is always the part that starts coming up short (given that you picked a decent CPU and sufficient RAM from the start).

Another thing you can do is make sure your system is SLI ready, get 1 card, and drop in another later on if you feel you need it. Benefit there is you might get the 2nd card for a lower price, since new tech has come on the scene in the mean time. Just don't wait to long; when a card is no longer produced, prices tend to rise again as the stock dwindles.

Decide for yourself what you want, just be aware of what it is and what it brings with it.

CaptainHaplo · 05-23-10, 09:55 AM

SLI/Crossfire is really alot like overclocking - its more a "bragging point" than anything else. If you want to spend that kind of money for performance, just get a dual chip card - both main providers make them I believe.

Agree that its too much trouble to be worth it.

Spike88 · 05-23-10, 03:22 PM

Than I'll just get a single card.

Spike88 · 05-26-10, 06:54 PM

My case has arrived. It's pretty neat, cant wait to get parts in it.

I have a question about modding, I want just standard red lights viewable from the window, anyone have any suggestions?

Edit: Also do USB2.0 wires work on a USB3.0 Mobo?

If so I'm thinking about going with this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131614

Or Maybe this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188039

Spike88 · 05-27-10, 05:17 PM

Anyone has any input?

Arclight · 05-27-10, 05:33 PM

All I know is USB 3 uses a different signal, so you'll probably need a special cable.

Spike88 · 05-27-10, 05:50 PM

All I could find on the matter was this:

Quote:

5. Will my existing peripherals still work? How will they co-exist?
The good news is that USB 3.0 has been carefully planned from the start to peacefully co-exist with USB 2.0. First of all, while USB 3.0 specifies new physical connections and thus new cables to take advantage of the higher speed capability of the new protocol, the connector itself remains the same rectangular shape with the four USB 2.0 contacts in the exact same location as before. Five new connections to carry receive and transitted data independently are present on USB 3.0 cables and only come into contact when mated with a proper SuperSpeed USB connection.

And it doesn't really answer my question.

05-21-10, 01:33 PM	#17
Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	@Firewall: The case has already shipped, and I think you misunderstood me, the case I'm getting is built for liquid cooling, as well as fan cooling. @Archlight: I'm probably going to get Ultimate, just because I like bells and whistles. __________________

05-21-10, 02:41 PM	#18
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Personally I wanted Professional, but I ended up with Ultimate as well; was only €20,- more, so why not. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

05-22-10, 11:21 AM	#19
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	@ Spike88 Any new news on build ? __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

05-22-10, 03:30 PM	#20
Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Nothing new, waiting for the case to arrive. I'm definitely going with the i7 930, just need to find the mobo I want to go with. I also need to get around reading about SLI. __________________

05-22-10, 06:04 PM	#21
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Imho more trouble than it's worth, but that's because my energy-bill is high enough as it is. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

05-22-10, 06:36 PM	#22
Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Anyone else feel the same way? If so I'll just got with a single graphics card. __________________

05-22-10, 07:00 PM	#23
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	IMO with the cards out there today. When it comes to SLI or Crossfire. Only the Video Card, Mobo, and Power Supply makers are the Winners. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

05-22-10, 07:12 PM	#24
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Well, it's nice and all, but it has some things to consider: Power consumption, obviously. Not all games play nice with it, so you can use just 1 card. New games often take a while to get proper support. 2 cards are noisier than 1, and produce more heat, putting more stress on your cooling solution. You don't get 200% performance, more like 150% in good case scenario, while price still doubles (need bigger PSU, can save some money by not getting 2 high-end cards but mainstream). Performance scales with resolution; the higher the resolution, the higher the performance gain. You might need a more expensive monitor to really benefit from it. (to recap, basically pro: high resolution gaming with high quality-settings. Con: high entry price and maintenance, bit more likely to stumble into issues with specific games) I'd say if you want to game at very high resolutions with all the bells and whistles, it's worth it. If you're OK with lower resolution, than a single high-end card might be better. If graphics are not a major factor, get a decent mainstream one. Imho the biggest benefit is not the performance in the short term, but in the long term: I have a 8800GTS 512, still going strong. Something like SH5 maxed out with 8x AA and 1280x960 resolution (considered low to medium these days), acceptable frame-rates (30-ish). It's 2 years old, and I feel like it's time for an upgrade. With SLI, you can put off an upgrade longer, because you have more graphical horsepower to play with. As time goes by, the graphics card is always the part that starts coming up short (given that you picked a decent CPU and sufficient RAM from the start). Another thing you can do is make sure your system is SLI ready, get 1 card, and drop in another later on if you feel you need it. Benefit there is you might get the 2nd card for a lower price, since new tech has come on the scene in the mean time. Just don't wait to long; when a card is no longer produced, prices tend to rise again as the stock dwindles. Decide for yourself what you want, just be aware of what it is and what it brings with it. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

05-23-10, 09:55 AM	#25
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	SLI/Crossfire is really alot like overclocking - its more a "bragging point" than anything else. If you want to spend that kind of money for performance, just get a dual chip card - both main providers make them I believe. Agree that its too much trouble to be worth it. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

05-23-10, 03:22 PM	#26
Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Than I'll just get a single card. __________________

05-26-10, 06:54 PM	#27
Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	My case has arrived. It's pretty neat, cant wait to get parts in it. I have a question about modding, I want just standard red lights viewable from the window, anyone have any suggestions? Edit: Also do USB2.0 wires work on a USB3.0 Mobo? If so I'm thinking about going with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131614 Or Maybe this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188039 __________________

05-27-10, 05:17 PM	#28
Spike88 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 3,052 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Anyone has any input? __________________

05-27-10, 05:33 PM	#29
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	All I know is USB 3 uses a different signal, so you'll probably need a special cable. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.