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Old 11-29-22, 08:02 AM   #1771
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I recently said that its a bit better with the Swedes and far batter wiht the Fins since espoecially the latter always have been pretty much on their gaurds againstt he Russian. They just scratch their heads about the Germans' Russia-policies of past years, and never understood the naivety behind them. It was an itnerview with some Finnish former or active giovenrment member,m I forgot. But they are definitely scratching their heads and voiced undiplomatically frank doubts on Germany's capability and willingness to do its dues regarding NATO . I expect that this attitude is widely spread in the Northern and Baltic region, and I fully agree with it.



I would not even be surprised if one day the Funs or Swedes withdraw their bet to join NATO due to being concerned that they would be in too greta danger of ending up where they must compensate for Germany'S weakness instead of benefitting from NATO'S total strength. The deficits oif German armed forces are deep-rooting, and structural, and will not go away within just 5 or ten years. I also quesiton that ther eis liognb lkastign will to imprive the situation. If somebody asks why I have these dihbts, I cvna only reocmmend ti study how stubboirnly Germany sticks with its hoeplessly unrealistric energy policy and climate goal-driven inner polcies when ti comes to housing, infrastrictre,m traffic and such. The reality-denial inherent to Germany must be seen in order to be believed possible. Its the same with the defence policies.

Forget Germany. Its a lost case, as a political actor massively overestimated.There are reaosns why I have become such a grumpy man: I need to live here and witness the degeneration process at closest distance, since many years.
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Neue Zürcher Zeitung:
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The ditherer: one year of German foreign policy under Olaf Scholz

The chancellor talks a lot about turning the tide - but it remains unclear where he wants to position Germany in the new geopolitical landscape.

When Olaf Scholz was sworn in on December 8, 2021, he may have already sensed that his first year would not go according to plan. The Russian troop deployment on Ukraine's borders already caused irritation. But the new chancellor may still have hoped at that point that a warlike confrontation could be prevented through negotiations.

This was probably brought home to him by his foreign policy adviser, Jens Plötner. Plötner, who was a diplomat stationed in Israel, Sri Lanka, Tunisia and Greece - not in Russia or the post-Soviet space - had been involved in the Minsk negotiations with Russia and Ukraine as a close associate of Steinmeier during his time as foreign minister back in 2014. When the tensions with Russia came to a head, Scholz focused entirely on diplomacy.

As late as Feb. 10, Plötner invited a Normandy-format meeting (Russia, Ukraine, France, Germany) to Berlin, which was unsuccessful. With the attack of February 24, it then became clear to even the last person that the efforts to find a diplomatic solution since 2015, driven primarily by Berlin, had had only one goal from the Russian perspective: To buy time to weaken Ukraine's and the West's will to resist.

War dominates the agenda


The start of the Russian war of aggression also made it clear that the red-green-yellow federal government would have to put aside its carefully crafted program for the time being. The Greens in particular had set their sights high: the climate-friendly restructuring of the market economy not against but with industry. Habeck, who had established a strong position for himself as Minister for the Economy and Climate Protection and as Vice Chancellor, stood for this. His rival within the party, Baerbock, had secured the foreign ministry - where little can be achieved, but sympathy points can be gained.

Scholz himself had chosen the classic social democratic "social justice" as his trademark. His motto "You'll never walk alone" signals continuity with the old social democracy before Gerhard Schröder - the all-encompassing state is supposed to regulate it, not the active civil society. The FDP was then left with only the trademark "economic reason": As finance minister, party leader Lindner would ensure that debt did not get out of hand.

The leisurely structural change that the "traffic light" had set out to achieve was then pushed aside by the staccato of crisis mode. Every day there are new problems to which the government must conjure up a quick answer.

Scholz, who had been able to study the merits of sitting out with Kohl and Merkel, was immediately put under considerable pressure by the Russian attack. After a few days of hesitation, he decided to strike a liberating blow: The "turn of the times" speech in the Bundestag put an end to Germany's old Russia policy, opened up the prospect of arms deliveries to Ukraine and made the promise that the Bundeswehr would be decently equipped.

Primacy of domestic policy

A chancellor who had begun his career in 1985 in the "old" Federal Republic as a labor lawyer and had distinguished himself for decades in domestic politics suddenly found himself thrown into a world where issues of war and peace dominated the agenda. Instead of being able to focus on Germany's transformation, within a stable international framework, Scholz now had to help ensure that this framework was not blown apart.

However, even when dealing with international issues, Scholz's focus was primarily on their domestic dimension: stability and prosperity at home were his first concern. Thus, the chancellor opposed tough oil and gas sanctions against Russia - keeping in mind not primarily the consequences for the Russian war, but the reaction of the electorate at home.

In his first year in office, Scholz, a domestic, social and economic policy expert, has not developed into a geostrategist. The pool of his ideas remains very limited; for the most part, he draws on the old familiar.

Scholz responds to the new global geopolitics, in which power conflicts are at the center, with the doctrine of cooperation between different centers of power, which Merkel has repeated over and over again - as if there were no competition between ideas of order and no conflicts over supremacy.

Sticking to the old line


At its core, Scholz's thinking on world politics revolves around globalization, which he sees as threatened by a division of the world into different spheres of power. However, one hardly hears anything from the chancellor about the causes of this division and how to deal with the reality of tension and conflict.

Scholz has no answer to the central global political challenge of the present, the power and system-political conflict with Russia and China. There is no sign of a conceptual realignment of German foreign policy. Instead, the former mayor of Hamburg is almost stubbornly sticking to the old line, as can be seen in particular in his dealings with China: economic interdependence while ignoring the changed situation in China under Xi - a country that is developing in the direction of totalitarian dictatorship on the inside and aggressive revisionist power on the outside.

The strategic gap is filled by maximum leaning on the Biden administration. When the chancellor declares he is in line with the White House on Ukraine, that is true - Team Biden is also trying to calibrate Ukraine support to achieve two goals: Ukraine is to hold its ground, but Russia is also not to be cornered in such a way that Moscow might escalate further.

The difference, however, is that the U.S. is far more aggressive about getting weapons to Ukraine - and leading the way. Scholz, on the other hand, is careful to stay on the Western "convoy"; his fear of escalation often seems greater than his concern that the war will drag on endlessly and that Russia might feel vindicated in its neo-imperial approach by gaining considerable ground.

In terms of foreign and security policy, Berlin has, with great relief, ceded leadership of the West back entirely to Washington. This allows Scholz to turn his focus to domestic policy - the "comfort zone" of a chancellor who was still politically socialized in the old Federal Republic.

More than friendly diplomacy

In the long run, however, that won't do; not even for four years. Even in a good transatlantic partnership, a player as central as Germany should also position itself strategically and assume co-leadership responsibility. The U.S. will foreseeably focus more on China, which means that Germany will have to take on a greater share of the support for NATO's "eastern flank" - defense and deterrence against Russia. And whatever the outcome of the war in Ukraine, Berlin will have to play a central role here as well, including in military affairs.

Germany must learn that security policy is more than just support for the main allies, the United States and occasionally France, and that foreign policy cannot be limited to friendly diplomacy with challengers to the liberal order.

In a global landscape shaped by geopolitical competition, a strategically oriented foreign and security policy must itself compete and work to shape the international regulatory framework-with partners such as the United States, other Europeans, and key countries in Asia such as Japan and India, and against challengers such as Russia and China. The hope that a focus on economic interests would lead to a dissolution of geopolitics has not been realized; the dramatic proof of this is Putin's attack on Ukraine.

Germany, as the central power of Europe and a global player, must draw the consequence and enter the geopolitical game itself - not only with the carrot, but also with the stick. This learning curve still lies ahead for many in Germany, including the chancellor.

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Couldn't help laugh when I read this German article.

It's entirely German -

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Doch der Intensivtäter gibt keine Ruhe. „Sie wollen etwas, ich will etwas – Gott entscheidet am Ende“, sagt er zum Richter. Der erwidert: „Allah lassen wir außen vor, hier entscheide ich!“ =

But the intensive offender does not rest. "You want something, I want something - God(Allah) decides in the end," he says to the judge. He replies: "We leave Allah out, I decide here!"
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The Ukraine war has eaten up the Bundewehr's munitions stockpile, sparking concern among politicians and the military. Meanwhile, inflation is eating away at the €100 billion in extra military spending pledged by Berlin.
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Are the Germans actually getting anything done...?

The possible risks revealed by SPIEGEL in the purchase of F35 fighter jets from the USA are causing nervousness and anger in Berlin:
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Bundeswehr's F35 deal worries traffic light politicians

Previously unknown risks in the Bundeswehr's introduction of the advanced F35 fighter jet are causing considerable unease within the Ampel coalition. After SPIEGEL reported for the first time last Thursday on previously unknown pitfalls in the 10-billion-euro project, various budget holders from the Bundestag notified the ministry of the need for talks. The pressure became so great that Parliamentary State Secretary Thomas Hitschler has scheduled a telephone call for Monday, 1 p.m., in which he hopes to allay the concerns of the MPs.

Details about the risks involved in the F35 project, which is intended to modernize the Air Force, emerge in the so-called 25-million-euro submission. The classified paper had been handed over to the budget committee in recent days as it is due to sign off on the first tranche of the budget for the 35 F35 jets shortly before Christmas. In total, the project will cost just under 10 billion euros. The first F35s are scheduled to arrive in Germany in 2027 and will be stationed at Büchel Air Base in Rhineland-Palatinate.

However, the ministry is apparently not entirely sure about the price. The prices are based on "conservative forecasts and derivations of the U.S. government" and are "expressly subject to adjustment," the document states. In addition, as with "all contracts, there are risks" - for example, because German standards might not be met or necessary approvals might not be granted. The passages raised questions among the members of parliament, since procurement for the German armed forces is considered to be very susceptible to breakdowns.

The most concrete risk concerns the Büchel air base. The document states that "a timely realization of the weapons system-specific infrastructure by 2026" under the above-mentioned conditions is "highly ambitious". "Time delays and additional financial requirements until completion of the infrastructure" must be expected, it says. The infrastructure refers to the modernization of the runway at Büchel, where U.S. nuclear weapons are stored, and the construction of new hangars for the F35.

The modernization of Büchel is considered a basic prerequisite for the F35 project. According to insiders, the work there must be completed by 2027, otherwise the U.S. will not send the jets for the air force. In principle, such a construction project in Germany is considered risky because of the short time involved. Nevertheless, the Air Force is confident that it is feasible. If the budget committee gives the green light, the line is, the project managers want to immediately give the go-ahead for the work that has already been prepared.

Consequently, the head of the Air Force expressed himself on Sunday almost angrily about the unrest in the coalition. The German Air Force's Twitter account quoted Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz as saying that when it comes to the F35, Germany is looking for problems where other European nations don't see any. "And neither do we, for that matter. Is the air there a different one?" said Gerhartz. The general had long fought for the F35 project because of the urgent need to replace the Air Force's completely outdated "Tornados." Consequently, Gerhartz engaged a task force very early on to ensure that nothing would go wrong with the F35.

Nevertheless, there is a great deal of uncertainty within the coalition. Almost more harshly than the opposition, members of the traffic light coalition are accusing Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht (SPD) of not paying enough attention to the project. Lambrecht's party colleague Andreas Schwarz, for example, said in the newspaper "Bild am Sonntag" that it was "unacceptable that Parliament is only now learning about the problems". He expects "comprehensive clarification of how it intends to get the risks under control. This is just an attempt to get rid of responsibility." Green Party House Speaker Sebastian Schäfer also warned that there were "still many questions" for Lambrecht.

The defense policy spokesman for the CDU/CSU parliamentary group, Florian Hahn (CSU), even called for Lambrecht to be removed. "The troops and all of Germany have only to be ashamed about this new information. The question is whether there is incompetence or intention behind it," Hahn told the Deutsche Presse-Agentur. Addressing the chancellor, Hahn recommended replacing Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht "before it is too late."

From the ministry, however, came only empty phrases on Sunday. A spokesman merely stated that the ministry was in constant contact with parliament and provided information on major armaments projects.

For the German government, the wrangling over the F35 project is more than a trifle. Germany wants to use the U.S. fighter jets to ensure so-called nuclear sharing. In the event of an emergency, German fighter jets are to carry nuclear bombs stored in Büchel and deliver them to their target on behalf of NATO. If word got back to the U.S. that the Bundeswehr could not even manage to modernize Büchel, it would certainly cause a lot of ridicule.

But the construction work at Büchel is apparently not the only risk in the project. According to the submission, there is also a risk "that timely issuance of a national certification for flight operations would not be possible in a timely manner, as the relevant documents are not available (in a timely manner) or cannot be made available in the future due to legal requirements."

In addition, the F35A model currently "does not meet all air traffic control equipment requirements for flights under instrument flight rules and is not expected to meet them in the foreseeable future." As a result, there is "the risk that restrictions on flight operations must be expected in the event of deviations from the relevant requirements for operation in German, European and international airspace in accordance with instrument flight rules." In short: Christine Lambrecht has a problem.

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Like in German football, so in German politics, I say. And FOCUS writes:
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We experience the relative decline of a nation - not only in soccer

Germany has been eliminated from the World Cup. This defeat "feels like the end of something," wrote the
Guardian. A sentence that shows that it is about much more than soccer.

Soccer is a game, but a game that reflects our soul. In the way we play, a society finds its expression. We look at Hansi Flick and dimly recognize Olaf Scholz's little brother. We look at the national team and look at ourselves.

On the pitch, our relationship of risk to safety, our attitude towards fairness and violence, but also our work ethic, the stock of courage and the capacity for creativity become visible.

In a sense, a visualization of our operating system takes place. Sociologist and soccer expert Norbert Seitz says, "There's a symbolic correspondence and atmospheric similarities between politics and soccer."

Which brings us to the humiliating defeat of the World Cup. The British newspaper
The Guardian wrote: "Despite Flick's urgent talk of new beginnings, this feels like the end of something."

At this point, at the latest, it is not only the national coach and the players who should be paying attention. We, as citizens, are also participating observers of a long coming to an end that relates to our previous way of living, working and doing politics.

We are not bad, but the others are better.

We are witnessing the relative decline of a nation that - after the wartime rubble had been cleared away - was repeatedly hailed as the world champion of prosperity, growth and exports. This new Germany has struggled.

It has inspired. It found itself in reunification. We were often enough the tournament winner of globalization. The world as a summer fairy tale
[reference to the football woprld cup 2006 in Germany, Skybird].

This self-confident but not arrogant country no longer exists. We have become strangers to ourselves, although - or precisely because - we have hardly changed at all. Germany is still playing with the operating system of the 20th century - and not just in soccer.

The team lacks "the dirty - we are a very, very dear team," said defensive player Antonio Rüdiger, who earns his money at Real Madrid. His diagnosis extends beyond soccer.

German statehood looks like a big DFB - flaccid and often downright impotent. It not only lacks the dirty, it also lacks the desire to innovate. Our public service is an analog system in which the paper rustles and the coffee machine rattles.

Our welfare state pays out more and more to people, even though on the payer side the supply chain is broken. The two large state-owned companies - Bundeswehr and Bahn AG - are dysfunctional: lazy and unimaginative, they get by.

This economy has not been able to win an economic tournament for a long time, even if the BioNTech founders were able to score a much-noticed surprise hit.

But Germany as a whole is no longer admired, but often ridiculed. The presenter and his round of talks on Qatari television covered their mouths in derision as the tournament drew to a close for the Germans. And goodbye!

No one wants to take responsibility for what Johannes B. Kerner called a "historic defeat" in the evening. The DFB functions like the party state; it is only in its ability to persevere that it is still at the top.

The similarities are systemic: In his former life, the football president was SPD state director in North Rhine-Westphalia and spokesman for the SPD party executive committee in Berlin.

Lessons have been learned: In parliaments as well as at the DFB's press conferences, people hand each other the prefabricated punched phrases. The government exalts itself, the opposition puts it down. And every few years there is a change of roles.

Only the playing system always remains the same. The DFB boss wants to "now look ahead" and "initiate an orderly procedure on how we deal with this situation."

Those who cannot deliver the core of their mission - in soccer, winning the tournament; in politics, creating prosperity - swerve into questions of attitude.

From now on, things get creamy. Instead of hard indicators, people now want to be morally superior. Suddenly, politics and soccer are no longer successful, but right. One flies out, but with attitude. The balance sheet used to be clean, now it's the conscience.

Value-based soccer means the politicization and thus defocusing of the players. Value-based economic policy is tantamount to a subscription to becoming poor.

Robert Habeck is getting out of coal and nuclear energy at home and is not getting into fracking, which is why we have to buy fracking gas from America and Arabia and nuclear power from France for a lot of money.


But be careful, comparing does not mean equating: Hansi Flick and his national team are clearly at a disadvantage here. If the national coach were allowed to buy extraterritorially like the minister, Flick would have ordered three additional goals on the spot markets in the Japan game.

If the DFB were allowed to buy its victories on credit, it would have long since set up a special fund to finance missing game ideas.

"I'm afraid of falling into a hole," Kimmich said after the premature exit. And that's exactly how many people feel today. The federal government's bought-in victories don't warm them. On top of the mountain of debt, the eternal ice age reigns.

Yet there are great players in the land of family businesses. They are called hidden champions because they have mastered their technology, because they know how to storm, stonewall and clear the field from behind in a compact formation in cooperation with suppliers and dealers.

But even the greatness of an economic nation does not result from the addition of its moves. Just as on the soccer field, a mental bracket is needed here, too, a game idea that connects the many I's into a we.

This guiding idea is missing from the DFB and the Chancellor's Office. Why do we score goals? Why do we increase the gross national product?
Indifference is dangerous for soccer and politics

Everything seems piecemeal; in everyday government and on the soccer field. The players suffocate in their rituals and please themselves in the staging of significance.

We see them, but we don't feel them. They speak, but not to us. When they have their say on the radio, the cab driver searches in routine indifference for the nearest music station.

This indifference is dangerous for soccer as well as for politics, because it leads to social torpor and bad humor. Before the ascent comes the belief in the ascent.

And after faith comes hard work. Or to put it in Jürgen Klopp's words: "Sometimes I have the impression that I'm the only one in this country who believes more in training than in transfers."

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Apparently you aren't allowed to die in Germany unless you are fully vaccinated against covid. Amazing.

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Irony has been declared many times in this pandemic but now, from Covid-riddled Germany comes the final proof: you can’t kill yourself now unless you’ve been vaccinated. As European countries battle to limit the spread of the virus, Verein Sterbehilfe – the German Euthanasia Association – has issued a new directive, declaring it will now only help those who have been vaccinated or recovered from the disease.
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Apparently you aren't allowed to die in Germany unless you are fully vaccinated against covid. Amazing.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...ted-customers/

a) that article is more than one year old
b) the writer simply doesn't understand what the press release means.



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a) that article is more than one year old
b) the writer simply doesn't understand what the press release means.



So, August, you just fell for one-year-old bull****.

Maybe, but it sure sounds like he does:


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Close encounters in closed rooms’ – what a fabulous German euphemism for assisted suicide. The term ‘2G’ meanwhile refers to a system which only allows free movement for leisure activities for the geimpft oder genese— ‘vaccinated or recovered.’ God forbid that a person without the jab should try to end it all – talk about a vaccine passport to the afterlife…
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Germany arrests 25 accused of plotting coup

Twenty-five people have been arrested in raids across Germany on suspicion of plotting to overthrow the government.

German reports say the group of far-right and ex-military figures planned to storm the parliament building, the Reichstag, and seize power.

A minor aristocrat described as Prince Heinrich XIII, 71, is alleged to have been central to their plans.

According to federal prosecutors, he is one of two alleged ringleaders among those arrested across 11 German states.

The plotters are said to include members of the extremist Reichsbürger [Citizens of the Reich] movement, which has long been in the sights of German police over violent attacks and racist conspiracy theories. They also refuse to recognise the modern German state.

An estimated 50 men and women are alleged to have been part of the group, said to have plotted to overthrow the republic and replace it with a new state modelled on the Germany of 1871 - an empire called the Second Reich.

"We don't yet have a name for this group," said a spokeswoman for the federal prosecutor's office.

Three thousand officers took part in 130 raids across much of the country, with two people arrested in Austria and Italy. Those detained were due to be questioned later in the day.

Justice Minister Marco Buschmann tweeted that a major anti-terror operation was taking place and a suspected "armed attack on constitutional bodies was planned".

The federal prosecutor's office said the group had been plotting a violent coup since November 2021 and members of its central "Rat" (council) had since held regular meetings.

They had already established plans to rule Germany with departments covering health, justice and foreign affairs, the prosecutor said. Members understood they could only realise their goals by "military means and violence against state representatives" which included carrying out killings.

Investigators are thought to have got wind of the group when they uncovered a kidnap plot last April involving a gang who called themselves United Patriots.

They too were part of the Reichsbürger scene and had allegedly planned to abduct Health Minister Karl Lauterbach while also creating "civil war conditions" to bring about an end to Germany's democracy.

The latest plot is also said to have involved a former far-right AfD member of the lower house of parliament, the Bundestag, who was lined up to be installed as the group's justice minister, with Prince Heinrich as leader.

Heinrich XIII comes from an old noble family known as the House of Reuss, which ruled over parts of the modern eastern state of Thuringia until 1918. All the male members of the family were given the name Heinrich as well as a number.

As well as a shadow government, the plotters allegedly had plans for a military arm, with active and former members of the military a significant part of the coup plot, according to reports. They included ex-elite soldiers from special units. The aim of military arm was to eliminate democratic bodies at local level, prosecutors said.

One of those under investigation is a member of the Special Commando Forces, and police searched his home and his room at the Graf-Zeppelin military base in Calw, south-west of Stuttgart.
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Goodness me, a few old men who need to up their medicines and they accuse them of "plotting a coup", you couldn't make this bollocks up.
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https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...ate/a-64011136

Spinner - but dangerous to a degree. They remind of stupid children who play with grenades and believe that their game can measure up to the size of the world.
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If they were left-wingers and not far-right fascists the media (especially those for the low-IQ crowd) would be on the brink of collapse.
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Hardly. everbyody would do his best to play it down: propaganda apparatus, parties, government, public "opinion leaders", influencers - everybody.
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Hardly. everbyody would do his best to play it down: propaganda apparatus, parties, government, public "opinion leaders", influencers - everybody.

So, same as right now?
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