The CHN/ China thread

[Skybird]

I may be member of the secret but not so secret squirrel society, but that does not qualify me for a description of a hidden Subsim killer elite.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I may be member of the secret but not so secret squirrel society, but that does not qualify me for a description of a hidden Subsim killer elite.

Beside I made a gramma error.

What do you say about the other things I wrote.

I'll say just wait China will get what they want without one mortal shot is fired or sanctions has been imposed on China.

Markus

[Catfish]

It is going downhill fast, for Hong Kong

https://www.reuters.com/business/ret...ys-2021-06-21/

[Skybird]

What happened inHK to "change by trade"? Obviously we still do not trade enough, we need to trade more!

[Catfish]

Now let's pretend we are able to change something.. maybe a trade investment with North Korea would be in order

[Skybird]

The units in which political wisdom gets measured, seem to be Euros, Dollars and Yen.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It is going downhill fast, for Hong Kong

https://www.reuters.com/business/ret...ys-2021-06-21/

Visited there for work purposes on a few occasions and promised the wife I would take her there one day but doesn't look like that will ever happen now.

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Visited there for work purposes on a few occasions and promised the wife I would take her there one day but doesn't look like that will ever happen now.

I wouldn't if I were you. Every westerner in China is a potential hostage if they decide to up the ante.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

I wouldn't if I were you. Every westerner in China is a potential hostage if they decide to up the ante.

Agreed and it's the same in Iran (not to mention a growing list of countries) where I've also worked.

[Skybird]

Travellers to places like China, Hong Kong, Russia, Belarus, Turkey, Iran, etc, should sign legally binding mandatory declarations by which their governments are freed from every responsibility to embark on political and other rescue measures in case they are being taken by these regimes as hostage. Also, all travelling routes shoul be reserearched and seriously checked.

If people want to take risks, let them, its their free right. But they should face the risk and consequences all by themselves, not having the state needing to rescue them from their egoism or stupidity.

Too many people are tool good-hearted and cannot imagine how grim and unfair the world can be.

I did some stupid travelling things myself back in the years, too. Things I now shake my head over. Heck, have we been naive on occaisons, having just been lucky where we seriously thought we were more clever than "them". Some places at no cost I would go back to. Turkey. Iran.

[MGR1]

Assuming the Chinese care, of course. One of my work colleagues taught English in Western China for a few years (married a local girl and had a kid, they're both in the UK now) and he has said that the average Chinese doesn't give a toss about foreign opinion.

Not unlike Japan, the average citizen of China is very uninterested, bordering on insular, in their attitudes to what goes on outside their country. They don't like anyone "sticking their noses" into what they regard as China's internal affairs.

I have seen a "the only people who should be commenting on China are the Chinese" type of mentality.

Mike.

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Agreed and it's the same in Iran (not to mention a growing list of countries) where I've also worked.

Iran has been off the vacation list for me since 1978, unless of course it was a "military vacation", of the type where i'd bring along a few hundred thousand Army buddies and enough party supplies to really have a bang of a time.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

Iran has been off the vacation list for me since 1978, unless of course it was a "military vacation", of the type where i'd bring along a few hundred thousand Army buddies and enough party supplies to really have a bang of a time.

An off topic comment to August comment

You comment made me remember my old Iranian friend which I learned to know in the end of the 80's.

We talked about the Iranian-USA relation.

Here is what he said and I remembered it clearly.

Come as an ordinary American turist and we will treat them as emperor-Come as officials and we will treat them decently according to law of diplomacy but it will be with hate in our hearts.

End of an off topic....

Markus

[Moonlight]

I met a couple of Iranians a long time ago who had migrated to England and their take on it was "It's not people who create wars but governments", so theirs your answer, remove the chest thumping governments whoever they are.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Assuming the Chinese care, of course. One of my work colleagues taught English in Western China for a few years (married a local girl and had a kid, they're both in the UK now) and he has said that the average Chinese doesn't give a toss about foreign opinion.

Not unlike Japan, the average citizen of China is very uninterested, bordering on insular, in their attitudes to what goes on outside their country. They don't like anyone "sticking their noses" into what they regard as China's internal affairs.

The average Chinese citizen is not what the world and us foreigners must be concerned of. Its their state, their intel service and their highly sophisticated abilities of automatted internet surveillance - and their growing aggressiveness against anythign and everybody voicing opinions directed against the party's regime. Not just Chinese and Taiwanese and Hong Kongers, but all foreigners worldwide.

Turkey does the same, persecuting critics of its regime in foreign nations as well. Those of Turkish decendance - and sometimes even foreigners without a single gene of Turkishness in them.

I miss the cold war, when an agent was needed to sit at a telephone and overhear telephone conversations. Today its all automatted, AI, high speed systemic reaction, automatted file creation, automatted sorting. Human signal overload is no longer an argument against omnipresent intel surveillance.

Its stupid to expose yourself to the risk of entering such regime's reach if you became critical of them in electronic media at any time.

Or do you think what Snowden revealed about the US' abilities already one and a half decade ago meanwhile is not being reached by the Chinese as well - if not surpassed...?