US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 293

Torvald Von Mansee · 11-09-22, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Democracy is just fine here. In fact nobody thought it needed saving until the lead up to the mid terms. It’s another political slogan the latest headline to induce a reaction, gain a vote, or sell papers.

So, you're fine with a gerrymandered state legislature overruling the majority of state voters to send a slate of Presidential Electors to the Electoral College different from what was voted for?

em2nought · 11-09-22, 12:59 PM

Cheated just enough to make it look believable that people love inflation and bowing down to Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for oil, saving all their good cheating for 2024.

Moonlight · 11-09-22, 01:32 PM

Does this result mean that Trump is a busted flush for the Republican Presidential candidate in 2024 then? and does that also mean that "MAGA" is finally dead and buried?.

I expected something like this happening as there were too many issues for any one party to focus on and, when you have as many issues as America has it all gets drowned out by the rest of the noise. The Republicans should have focused on no more than three things, crime, inflation and immigration to name three of them, then they might have done better at the polls, as it is they spread themselves too thin and as I've already said, all that noise drowned out the message they should have been sending out.

I'm thinking that the Republican leadership is to blame for this result "whoever they are", one thing they need to do, and that is to take a long hard look at themselves and change something or else they won't be having a leader in the Whitehouse for the next election either, or will that be the next decade?.

Buddahaid · 11-09-22, 01:36 PM

By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat.

Rockstar · 11-09-22, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

So, you're fine with a gerrymandered state legislature overruling the majority of state voters to send a slate of Presidential Electors to the Electoral College different from what was voted for?

That’s a difficult question to answer because I don’t know what state you live in. Not all states do it or to the extent others do and those that do don’t go to the extremes of the gerrymandering record holders like Maryland and North Carolina.

If it’s a problem then it’s a matter for the voters, their representatives and courts in their respective states to resolve.

August · 11-09-22, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat.

Sounds a lot like Hispanic immigrants will all vote Dem meme. We'll see. At least if the Repubs take the House then Speaker McCarthy can maybe get some of the Dems tossed out or put in jail, at least from the executive branch.

Rockstar · 11-09-22, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat.

Jeebus is that ever a sad testimony to the state of the Democrat political platform of getting re-elected. Waiting for Republicans to die off before next election.

Buddahaid · 11-09-22, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Jeebus is that ever a sad testimony to the state of the Democrat political platform of getting re-elected. Waiting for Republicans to die off before next election.

It's just an observation about the changing demographic landscape, not a policy.

Skybird · 11-09-22, 02:36 PM

Many of Trump'S most supported extremists and last election deniars have failed, and Trump definitely has less wind in his sails now. That is good.

The margin in Congress by which the opposing party traditionally scores against the president'S party, is smaller than traditionally. That is a message.

As a foreigner I would assume that many Americans were tired of the blatant extremism and hate and polarization and ever ongoing same old lies being told over and over again by Trump. Also, the slaughtering of abortion rights now shows its cost for the Republicans, I assume.

Seen that way, Biden has won this, considering his role as president and the fate many other presidents have suffered at midterms in their first term. No red tsunami, not even a trace of it - the oracle in the Trump tower was wrong. Like so often.

For the Republicans this can only mean to make a clear cut and get rid of Trump. If they make him their candidate for the election 2024, this result today does not hold reasons for them to be optimistic. As I wrote earlier: he is no the ace in their sleeves - he is a burden. And burdens must be gotten rid of.

mapuc · 11-09-22, 02:55 PM

I say they have just withdrawn and are licking their wounds.. MAGA is not death or defeated Nor is Trump.

He may be a burden-His followers doesn't see him like that.

I say he will return with new strength and his followers MAGA will come out of the bushes.

I could of course be wrong.

Markus

u crank · 11-09-22, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The margin in Congress by which the opposing party traditionally scores against the president'S party, is smaller than traditionally. That is a message.

The majority is decided by one vote.

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Seen that way, Biden has won this, considering his role as president and the fate many other presidents have suffered at midterms in their first term.

He hasn't won anything. If Republicans take the House of Representatives (and it looks like they will) then Biden's not going to have an easy two years. Impeachment, investigations and an inability to get any Democrat bills passed is Joe Biden's political future.

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For the Republicans this can only mean to make a clear cut and get rid of Trump.

I think the Democrats have the same problem only there is two of them.

Skybird · 11-09-22, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

The majority is decided by one vote.

He hasn't won anything. If Republicans take the House of Representatives (and it looks like they will) then Biden's not going to have an easy two years. Impeachment, investigations and an inability to get any Democrat bills passed is Joe Biden's political future.

I think the Democrats have the same problem only there is two of them.

C'mon, you now all that better.
For Biden it makes a difference if he must seek cooperation with and must convince ten Republican congressmen - or forty.
And Biden is maybe indeed only being voted for because he is the lesser evil, but compared to the Donald and some of his extremist fanboy and fangirls he nevertehless is right this: the lesser evil. Like Trump once was voted for to prevent Hillary Clinton.

There must be reasons why both Russia and China would have preferred Trump over Biden as president, and Trumps' supported ones winning these midterms and blocking Biden.

The issues Republicans were trying to score points on obviously didn't score as well as they thought they would. Where as the Democrats' appeals to vote to prevent Trumpism abviously scored much better than anyone dared to predict, or expected.

ET2SN · 11-09-22, 04:09 PM

Same old, same old. In this case its a good thing.

As I always say, Revolution feels good until you try to order a pizza for delivery. The GOP has been flirting with the idea of changing the government into something more Authoritarian and, basically, Fascist because time is NOT on their side and its the only way they retain any power.
If the minority party is running the Ministry Of Truth and the Ministry Of Love, what difference does it make?

Most of the rank-and-file voters are saying "Oh no you DON'T..".

Skybird · 11-09-22, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I say they have just withdrawn and are licking their wounds.. MAGA is not death or defeated Nor is Trump.

He may be a burden-His followers doesn't see him like that.

I say he will return with new strength and his followers MAGA will come out of the bushes.

I could of course be wrong.

Markus

I agree, Trumpismn is here to stay, even without Trump in person. DaSantis does Trumponomics - he is only clever enough to not yell it as loud out into the world as Trump would, and especially not to copy Trump's stupid disgusting behavior schemes that make him so despicable for many. The question is to what degree Trumpism will continue to dominate the Republican party - or not. But US politics will remain getting haunted by Trumpism like German politics get haunted by the AfD.

August · 11-09-22, 04:12 PM

I love how foreigners think that our political parties are anything like what passes for them in Germany.

Be interesting to see what they define as "Trumpism". Bet they have absolutely no clue.

11-09-22, 12:59 PM	#4382
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,269 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Cheated just enough to make it look believable that people love inflation and bowing down to Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for oil, saving all their good cheating for 2024. __________________ Looks like we need a Lemon Law for Presidents now! DNC sold us a dud, and they knew it.

11-09-22, 01:32 PM	#4383
Moonlight Admiral Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,137 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	Does this result mean that Trump is a busted flush for the Republican Presidential candidate in 2024 then? and does that also mean that "MAGA" is finally dead and buried?. I expected something like this happening as there were too many issues for any one party to focus on and, when you have as many issues as America has it all gets drowned out by the rest of the noise. The Republicans should have focused on no more than three things, crime, inflation and immigration to name three of them, then they might have done better at the polls, as it is they spread themselves too thin and as I've already said, all that noise drowned out the message they should have been sending out. I'm thinking that the Republican leadership is to blame for this result "whoever they are", one thing they need to do, and that is to take a long hard look at themselves and change something or else they won't be having a leader in the Whitehouse for the next election either, or will that be the next decade?. __________________

11-09-22, 01:36 PM	#4384
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,560 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	By 2024 more party voting Republicans will have passed away while the 16 somethings will be of voting age and likely voting Democrat. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

11-09-22, 02:36 PM	#4389
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,500 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Many of Trump'S most supported extremists and last election deniars have failed, and Trump definitely has less wind in his sails now. That is good. The margin in Congress by which the opposing party traditionally scores against the president'S party, is smaller than traditionally. That is a message. As a foreigner I would assume that many Americans were tired of the blatant extremism and hate and polarization and ever ongoing same old lies being told over and over again by Trump. Also, the slaughtering of abortion rights now shows its cost for the Republicans, I assume. Seen that way, Biden has won this, considering his role as president and the fate many other presidents have suffered at midterms in their first term. No red tsunami, not even a trace of it - the oracle in the Trump tower was wrong. Like so often. For the Republicans this can only mean to make a clear cut and get rid of Trump. If they make him their candidate for the election 2024, this result today does not hold reasons for them to be optimistic. As I wrote earlier: he is no the ace in their sleeves - he is a burden. And burdens must be gotten rid of. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-22, 02:55 PM	#4390
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,891 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I say they have just withdrawn and are licking their wounds.. MAGA is not death or defeated Nor is Trump. He may be a burden-His followers doesn't see him like that. I say he will return with new strength and his followers MAGA will come out of the bushes. I could of course be wrong. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

11-09-22, 04:09 PM	#4393
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,513 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Same old, same old. In this case its a good thing. As I always say, Revolution feels good until you try to order a pizza for delivery. The GOP has been flirting with the idea of changing the government into something more Authoritarian and, basically, Fascist because time is NOT on their side and its the only way they retain any power. If the minority party is running the Ministry Of Truth and the Ministry Of Love, what difference does it make? Most of the rank-and-file voters are saying "Oh no you DON'T..".

11-09-22, 04:12 PM	#4395
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I love how foreigners think that our political parties are anything like what passes for them in Germany. Be interesting to see what they define as "Trumpism". Bet they have absolutely no clue. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.