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04-25-13, 09:12 AM | #1 |
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I'd like you to go over that again, I took all of this into account, I did not "Ignore it" I read over this multiple times.
I have given you all my comparisons. I have told you how my Machine works, I have taken all this into account, would you like me to show you a picture that shows my performance in these games that I have previously discussed? Want me to find a spare i5 and put this to the test against my current processor? I have done these tests myself, I know what I am talking about. And you showed the 1090T. I use the 1100T and as I said, I run games like Crysis 3 on max video settings with a solid average of 130 FPS, do you use an i5? because I'd like to see you get an i5 to that. My friend's i7-2760QM in his Gaming laptop runs a game Red Orchestra 2 at an average or 50-60 FPS. And as the previous source showed, the i7 desktop processor's performance is only SLIGHTLY better then the AMD. From what I gather, your not even looking at my sources, or your not taking any of these facts into the next posts you create. I do not have time to go over this every day to give you these facts that I have already supplied but have not been taken into account. I strongly recommend you re-read (If you have not done so already) these sources my friend. I do believe that that your attitude towards me, and this subject is nonsensical, but mostly to me. Last edited by V13dweller; 04-25-13 at 09:40 AM. |
04-25-13, 11:10 AM | #2 |
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Look at my sig, then copycat it! LOL I love my PC! My setup falls around your price range, but I already had a monitor(I just use my 42" LCD TV). Although I will be upgrading to a dual Video card setup, the single 610 with 1 Gig works great, I can run Call of Duty MW3 and BF3 with full graphics and options .
Check Microcenter for prices. They've got some killer deals. Good luck!
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if you're such a tester and you know what you talk aobut it shouldn't be so hard. Quote:
even the FX8350 clocked at 4.6GHZ maxed out at 1080p resolution squeezes perhaps an average of 20 and without the games filters (AA/AF) 32fps in crysis 3, and let's throw in some Far Cry 3 for a bonus and crossfire GPU results. Quote:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ng,3451-8.html 130FPS Average? maxed out? Cores not breaking a sweat? ehm...I don't think so unless you can bring forth what I asked above. Quote:
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04-25-13, 12:54 PM | #4 |
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I'm building a setup right now:
AMD A10 5800k (which I intend to overclock) has brilliant built in graphics ASUS F2A55-M LE 2x 8GB RAM at 1.6 GHz (may go higher on the speed) Cooler master 440 case SATA 500GB HDD (may add another 500GB HDD or a SSD) HD TV for a screen |
04-26-13, 07:17 AM | #5 | |
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Then use a SATA drive to store all other files on. you wont believe the speed the SSD runs load or even installs at and a 128Gb SSD drive should hold all your system files although if your feeling flush with money a 256 SSD would be a killer Just waiting for a Tom quote saying Blah blah blah |
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04-25-13, 01:01 PM | #6 |
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As my previous data shows, I was comparing the Phenom II to the processor of 2010's standard, the 37xx not the 39xx, not the latest top of the line equipment.
And your showing equipment of post 2010 standards, and this is voiding the validity of what some of my data shows, now just settle down and look at the data I show you, and see it as it is, not just how you want to see it. And I know the odds's are stacked against me so I will just discontinue this debate while I am still ahead, please get the expected silliness and expected insults and/or rude remarks out of the way. Since all of my data has been shot down without any of it taken into consideration. Also, if you have difficulty viewing and seeing information from links. Not too much difference. Not much difference at all. I will also have a screenshot taken at a later date of the FPS counter showing you the results you don't want to see. Relating to my friends i7, It was a comparison from is LAPTOP processor to other i5's. And the i7 does outperform the i5 under most circumstances even though it is a laptop core. I'm sorry I have a different opinion to the rest of the community even if it is supported by facts. If having a different view is not allowed here, I will associate myself somewhere else. Last edited by V13dweller; 04-26-13 at 12:32 AM. |
04-25-13, 01:18 PM | #7 |
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Spike, here's my advice.
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04-26-13, 07:07 AM | #8 |
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Its a good job Toms Hardware is around or else some people would not know what there opium is because they wont listen to anyone who is actually using the program or hardware. its all down to what Tom says the guy must be making a killing on kickbacks.
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04-26-13, 07:20 AM | #9 |
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Can't we just agree that Intel is better for some games, and AMD is better for some games?
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04-26-13, 07:34 AM | #10 |
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04-26-13, 09:50 AM | #11 | |
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V13 has shown that in a lot of games the i5/i7 offers no real advantage, which I agreed with from the start. But that's not the point of argument. - V13, I looked at your sources, multiple times now. Problem is they are not really relevant. A thread from Dec 2009 isn't particularly accurate for the situation nowadays, which is the situation Spike would be dealing with if he build a system today. While I agree that AMD generally offers better bang for the buck, the notion that Phenom II is more powerful than i5/i7 is simply nonsense. It will eke out a win in the most heavily threaded applications since it has more cores, but other than that it lags behind. Your other sources are not particularly comprehensive: 3DMark, while great for benchmarking fanatics, is a synthetic benchmark that does not represent actual game performance. Actual performance varies greatly from game to game, some favoring Intel architecture and others AMD, and yet others showing no preference at all since they don't rely much on CPU performance. The charts you showed for AvP and Metro are not relevant (to the point of Phenom II being more powerful than i5/i7) since neither are CPU bound. Games that are truly CPU bound will favor core speed over count, which puts the advantage at Intel. Some even contradict your point. For example this one: http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/372...5_i5-2400.html It clearly notes that the i5 has higher single-threaded performance, which is exactly what matters in gaming. The advantage they show in that case is 31%, which I would consider non-trivial. Again I should note that this means little for a lot of games, but the point stands. It is you missing points like that, while I explained that it's single-thread performance that matters for gaming, that makes me think you're not really objectively looking at my sources or posts (or even the ones you use yourself). The last graphs you showed in response to Hunter are from the Piledriver chips, the latest in AMD's line-up, 2 generations beyond Phenom II. While Bulldozer actually regressed single-thread performance, Piledriver managed to close the gap with Intel, but remains a fair bit slower in that regard. I feel you're misinterpreting data, which I think stems from not being familiar with the actual technology, basing arguments on yours and others experiences; experiences are always arguable. Yes, I prefer Intel. The reason for that is because this is strictly a gaming system: I only really care about single-threaded performance for this system. I don't mind paying the premium because I believe it saves me money down the line. With higher single-threaded performance this i5 will stay relevant a bit longer than the Phenom II and FX (Bulldozer at the time) for gaming. This doesn't come from hearsay and opinion but from reading in-depth articles. I have no loyalty towards them; when the rumors surfaced about them doing away with sockets my first thought was to switch to AMD. If they drop the ball I drop them, simple as that. And yes, I do have a beef with you. If you play the fanboi card right off the bat my patience goes right out the window. Lastly, consider this: http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=gaming+cpu Pick any result. They all come to the same conclusion.
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