SUBSIM mobile phone thread

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to keep up with technology...both my kids have Iphones but I stick with my old reliable Blackberry.

I found a video just for you Jim!

[Jimbuna]

I'm not that bad, I know how to turn a light switch on and off

[McBeck]

From what I can gather it is an integration thing. You can connect different Apple products easely without any problems. My boss has an Android phone but is considering an Apple iPhone due to this.

[joea]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Not being a snot, but my wife got the new I phone. After the contract and accessories it costs 600$ (and a little more)
It does less than my 200$ android phone. Which is mid range.

What is the allure, that makes people wait on line overnite for this crap?

I pay 35$ a month. With no 2 year contract.

Is it some kind of social status thing?

I do not get it, and I am not an apple trasher, but I am not impressed. 600 for what my 200$ phone does faster. with no contract.

I hope no one here is as stupid as we were...I am warning you now, it is pure crap for the price paid.

I highly doubt that, everything I've read indicates the new iphone 5 is in fact faster than the current top of the line android, the Galaxy S3. When you say it does more, what exactly? What is your phone exactly? I agree with Mcbeck it's a question of integration, even for people like myself who don't have a Mac.

[JU_88]

As much I as I dislike Apple in general, Im sticking to my now rather old and beat up Iphone 3gs, for several reasons.

1) I recenly tried out a Samsung Galaxy fore a while, but after using IOS for two years, Android just seems like a bit of a mess TBH, layout is all over the place, too much preinstalled junk I didnt want, the appstore/ market place was annoying and buggy, oh and BLOODY ADVERTS EVERYWHERE!
Lastly W.O.T.A is coming to the iphone early next year, its worth hanging on to it just for that IOS is definatly a better choice for games anyway.

That said I'm kind of ashamed to have an iphone, proabably because I associate them with....er richard craniums I suppose!
For some reason when I see something everyone has got some, it somehow usually makes me want to rebel by not getting one.
Every time I see someone take picture with an Ipad It makes me cringe.

[Catfish]

It is a status thing. There is nothing the android cannot do, and better

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It is a status thing. There is nothing the android cannot do, and better

Apple gear is a status thing for some (rather superficial) people, yes.
But likewise boycotting Apple products because of the 'status thing' is also a a bit of status thing in its own right.

Some People buy Iphones/Pads because they think its cool, in the fashionable/trendy sense of the word.
Some People Refuse to buy Iphones/Pads without even trying them out, because they like to think they are smarter than those who aspire to be cool.

Either way is being rather childish if you ask me. Who cares what everyone else is doing / thinking, screw that. just get the one YOU like. (finances permitting)

I will say this; they both do the same thing at the end of the day, so its kinda apples and oranges.
Android devices are clearly better value for money, (Apples stuff is always over priced.) So no argument there.
That said, I genuinly find IOS a much nicer OS to use over Android, for me, its easier, cleaner and seems a touch faster too.
And I will reiterate that for mobile games (if you are into them) - Apple wins hands down, because there are much more quality games avaliable on their store.

If I had tried Android and found to be just as pleasent to use, and it had the same range of games avaliable, i would have dumped the Iphone in the blink of an eye.
While Android is not at all bad, its minor annoyances were enough to put me off from trading in my trusty 3gs, thats all. I was tempted by the shiny new Samsung, my Iphone is covered in stratches and cracks, looks like its been in a warzone, but works fine
Perhaps Ive been spoiled.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Is it some kind of social status thing?

This ^ before anything else. Or better: it is culture-building, in a social-psychological sense. Apple-salesman gets special training on language, phrases to use, words to avoid, and their training gets compared by specialists to the verbal manipulation that you see taking place in sects. Apple "presentations" also get "celebrated" for that reason in the way they are celebrated. A mental image of a new culture, a new community out there is being established that way, and it gets painted in colours so that people want to become a part of it.

It is the art of subliminal manipulation by advertisement at it's highest level.

And should therefore be banned and forbidden, imo.

Apple does it better than almost anybody else in the commercial world. But they are not the only ones. If you ever visit Wolfsburg and the Volkswagon "manufactury", you either get hooked by the way the car gets celebrated there in an almost religious fashion - the parallels to basic principles of a mass indeed are stunning, from a culture-anthrophological or psychological point of view, or you are disgusted by the way in which a profane material object and tool gets elevated into the status rank of a religious holy revelation. For me, it was the latter. No matter that many people in non-Western countries see us as materialistically deformed, soul-less monkeys. In a way, most of us are, some more than others.

[the_tyrant]

Ok, first of all, DON'T BUY PHONES ON CONTRACT!!!!!

In my use case, (and in many of yours I would believe), it ain't worth it.

Ok, disclaimer: fanboy rant ahead

For phones, you should go with either Symbian or Windows Phone.

If we ignore programs, Symbian is the best cellphone OS out of the box. If you are looking for a flagship device, I would recommend the Pureview 808. It has a stunning 41 megapixel camera(you read that right), NFC, USB on the go(aka, you can plug in your USB sticks to your phone), and an FM transmitter (aka, get your phone to create an FM radio channel, you can listen to music in your car this way). Symbian is the best phone platform, but to bad it is pretty much dying right now. Its a damned shame if you ask me, Symbian sold millions when it was crap, and now is dead when it finally got good.

On the other hand, Windows Phone is GREAT. It is 100% smooth, no lag, and the UI is amazing. Windows Phone is a smooth and delightful platform. I would seriously recommend that you give it a try when Windows Phone 8 comes out.

As for android, I have to say, I'm seriously not impressed. My dad has last year's flagship android, the Motorola Atrix. It has a duel core CPU, and 1gb ram. Yet it LAGS! In its out of the box state, it simply lags when you swipe and whatnot. My Windows Phone, and LG quantum, has much lower specs, yet it runs perfectly smooth. This is simply unacceptable!

Also, Android's update situation is ridiculous. My dad's atrix, is on 2.3, 2 versions behind. And now, with some apps(like chrome) demanding 4.0, his phone can not run many of them.

Android devices are good when they are new, but consider this: In Canada, our contracts are 3 years long, so now one year in, my dad has to live with an outdated, "ancient" (by android standards) phone for two more years.

PS: my recommendation for a phone: The Lumia 920.
http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/products/phone/lumia920/

Comes out next month, does EVERYTHING.

[AVGWarhawk]

Tyrant echoes my thoughts. Of the three I have worked with Windows on a LG Quantum was the best.

[MH]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Ok, first of all, DON'T BUY PHONES ON CONTRACT!!!!!

In my use case, (and in many of yours I would believe), it ain't worth it.

Ok, disclaimer: fanboy rant ahead

For phones, you should go with either Symbian or Windows Phone.

If we ignore programs, Symbian is the best cellphone OS out of the box. If you are looking for a flagship device, I would recommend the Pureview 808. It has a stunning 41 megapixel camera(you read that right), NFC, USB on the go(aka, you can plug in your USB sticks to your phone), and an FM transmitter (aka, get your phone to create an FM radio channel, you can listen to music in your car this way). Symbian is the best phone platform, but to bad it is pretty much dying right now. Its a damned shame if you ask me, Symbian sold millions when it was crap, and now is dead when it finally got good.

On the other hand, Windows Phone is GREAT. It is 100% smooth, no lag, and the UI is amazing. Windows Phone is a smooth and delightful platform. I would seriously recommend that you give it a try when Windows Phone 8 comes out.

As for android, I have to say, I'm seriously not impressed. My dad has last year's flagship android, the Motorola Atrix. It has a duel core CPU, and 1gb ram. Yet it LAGS! In its out of the box state, it simply lags when you swipe and whatnot. My Windows Phone, and LG quantum, has much lower specs, yet it runs perfectly smooth. This is simply unacceptable!

Also, Android's update situation is ridiculous. My dad's atrix, is on 2.3, 2 versions behind. And now, with some apps(like chrome) demanding 4.0, his phone can not run many of them.

Android devices are good when they are new, but consider this: In Canada, our contracts are 3 years long, so now one year in, my dad has to live with an outdated, "ancient" (by android standards) phone for two more years.

PS: my recommendation for a phone: The Lumia 920.
http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/products/phone/lumia920/

Comes out next month, does EVERYTHING.

I used to have symbian phones...some of the flagships from Nokia and i must say that android devices are way better.
Currently i own Samsung and in terms of smoothness and functionality it beats Nokia in every possible way.

[JU_88]

Symbian was great in 2005, today its bloody awful, unless you just want a phone thats a phone.
Oh and on an unrelated note, I really dont miss cycling though 3-4 letters of the alphabet on one button.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by MH

I used to have symbian phones...some of the flagships from Nokia and i must say that android devices are way better.
Currently i own Samsung and in terms of smoothness and functionality it beats Nokia in every possible way.

Regarding Symbian, I really feel that it is sad, really.

There used to be a time when Symbian was the best. (pre iPhone, when everyone had the Razr or Blackberry, or Treo) The n95 blew my mind when I first saw it. I mean, compared to everything at the time, it had everything. GPS, Camera, WiFi, EVERYTHING!

But than the iPhone came out and changed everything. Suddenly touchscreens were all the rage. Nokia made some HORRIBLE decisions at the time, resulting in the DISASTER that was the n97. It has a pathetic CPU, with a reactive touchscreen, and charged you an arm and a leg. Around the time, the best Symbian device was actually the Samsung Omnia HD. But because Nokia ran Symbian, the Omnia HD was screwed from the start. Nokia even refused to license the app store to Samsung.

Than, Nokia finally got their crap together(on the hardware front), and released the Symbian ^3 generation. Nobody can deny that the N8, E7, C6-01, and C7 were impressive hardware wise, and at the core, the software was pretty good too. But Nokia ruined it again by releasing it with a ton of bugs, and the UI was crap.

Finally, Nokia kicked out their CEO, hired Elop from Microsoft. Elop saw that Symbian was doomed, for the period from 2008 - 2011, every Symbian device was crap, or at least highly flawed. The Symbian name was unsalvageable.

Thus Symbian was renamed Nokia Belle (Belle was originally the codename, like Vista or Ice cream sandwich). Symbian was pretty much also put on life support, Nokia promised support until at least 2016, with at most one new device a year.

However, Nokia Belle is actually pretty damned good!

and most of all, Symbian at its core has several core advantages against Android or iOS.

Symbian does not require much specs to run smoothly. My dad's Atrix (with a duel core NVidia Tegra II, and 1gb ram) barely runs smooth. Yet Symbian devices with 1ghz CPU and 512 RAM can run buttery smooth.

Symbian supports USB On the Go. This was one of the most amazing features I ever saw, and I truly wished that other phones can do it too. What it is, is that you can simply plug in your USB stick onto your phone (with a USB to Micro-usb adapter), and your phone can recognize it and interact with it.

Finally, Symbian's kernel model is different compared to Android or Windows or iOS. It is special, in that it supports hardware interrupts at the kernel level. So for the user, you see that Symbian phones are the only phones that support Xeon flash. Aka, the pro level flash that are used on real cameras, not simply a lightbulb.


Thus what I am saying is, if you are willing to look past the "Symbian" name (not really even named Symbian anymore), the latest Symbian flagship is a pretty good choice. The Nokia Pureview 808 is a stunning device.


review: http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pu...review-776.php

The camera is the number one cellphone camera, no debate there, its 41 megapixels! Plus it has USB OTG, FM transmitter, NFC, and everything you can want. Plus, the Belle UI is pretty damned good too!


PS, if anyone here is a phone connoisseur like me, here are some devices that you might want to try just to experience them:

The Palm Pre 2, HP veer, or the HP pre 3 is something you have to experience. WebOS is an AMAZING OS, just constrained by the horrible hardware on the original pre.

The Nokia N9 is also something to look out for, the Device itself is stunning, and the OS is Meego (not Symbian). Meego is dead, Elop killed it, but it is a pretty damned good OS, at least worth a try.

[MH]

Yeah...belle was good upgrade.
I also like nokia phones in terms of design looks and durability.
Lets hope win8 will catch on as mobile os.It should solve the functionality issue.

[JU_88]

^ Very informative post there, The_Tyrant, thanks