US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Dargo]

Apparently, Trump has been bitching that the hearing yesterday 'only showed negative coverage'... of his failed Coup d'état to overthrow the United States government.

[Skybird]

He didn't pull the cat's tail, he just held it tightly, and that's not illegal, is it?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

A Coup d'etat only requires it to be an illegal change in government.

What a successful coup d'etat would require is the support of a majority of the military, police agencies and the intelligence agencies. Of course Trump and the Jan 6th rioters had none of that. There was zero chance of a successful illegal change in US government. It was stupid but not nearly the danger that Pelosi and company would like to portray it as.

[Buddahaid]

Stupid but no less real.

[mapuc]

I can't say if it was a Coup D'Etat

Some say it was, while others say it wasn't.

So lets...again...concentrate on who, why, what and whom

Who attacked the Congress ?

Why did they do it ?

What did they gain by this attack ?

Whom gave the order ?

Markus

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Stupid but no less real.

Yes but we should call it what it was, not what we want it to be.

[Skybird]

Say, does attemtped murder not bring you into prison because the attempt failed?

A coup tried and failed nevertheless is an attempted coup d'etat. Which in this case corresponds to conspiracy, and treason against the constitutional order of the state.

Its deeply worrying that many Americans just do not care for this. It is absolutely worrying.

Trump tried to illegally steal the vote, that he tried a coup. That was beyond doubt back then, and still is today. And he still spreads his lies today. After one and a half year, he still spread his lies. Any many still believe them.

Others simply forgive him. Or never cared at all, from beginning on. Just wnmated him to be succcessful, no mattwer how, no matter what, willing every way to get there. All these people - have betrayed, left behind, abandoned everything the American constitution, the law, the very idea behing this state's mere existence, stand for. Them all have replaces this with another form of law: the law of the strongest, the law of the jungle.

Absolutely worrying.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by u crank

Yes but we should call it what it was, not what we want it to be.

All in the point of view. For me, Trump tried to make a self coup and it doesn't matter that it failed, or how stupid the attempt was. He still tried.

[mapuc]

I'm one of these foreigners who gives a hiccup about who's sitting in the White House I am however not ignorant when it comes to following or breaking the laws.

The House has come to the conclusion it was a Coup D'Etat
Now Trump has to take the punishment.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The House has come to the conclusion it was a Coup D'Etat
Now Trump has to take the punishment.

Problem is the Grand Ornage Party disagrees on that. Too many fat cats in there built their future career hopes on his rotten legacy. Thats why the rott will continue to ripen and to smell.

That the left and the woke do not offer alternatives to be taken serious, but picks away at the system from the other end of the spectrum, does not help.
After over one year, I stick to it: as long as no better candidate shows up, Biden is not the worst option. He ids not my ideal, but in the face of names beign on display right now in both parties, I think one can live with him. That the polarization in the US blocks him to death, is not his fault, but in the end, directly and indirectly: Trump's.

Midterm elections I cannot see to become an opportunity for joy for the Dems.


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Achse des Guten certainly is a website that is not shy to use polemics at many times. But sometimes, they have good stuff, and sometimes they have a mix of both: true information but spiced with polemics. I wonder whether I can trust this text on California. It includes many direct links in the text, so I give the link to the German text and the translator links. If I would translate and post the text via DeepL as I usually do, the links would get lost, and Google does not that good a job in comparison (it also works erratic for me since I set my browser options so very tight and safer). Its a text about how very much fed up people in California seem to be with the consequences of "progressive politics".

Politcal Earthquake in California
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/polit...in_kalifornien

For translating via entering website link:
https://translate.google.de/

For translating better via entering the text, basted and copied:
https://www.deepl.com/de/translator

DeepL is much better, but does not translate website via link like Google can.

I find it hard to believe what they write here. Is it real, or exaggerated?

[Otto Harkaman]

The coup d'etat was the Democratic party taking over the government blowing a smoke screen it was Trump. Welcome to double digit inflation, soaring energy costs and soon a complete breakdown of the food network. More wars on the horizon with Hunter Biden porn movies to boot. Enjoy, sorry no popcorn, its being turned 22 pounds of corn into 1 gallon of Ethanol for renewable energy.

[Buddahaid]

Have some more Koolaid.

[Otto Harkaman]

have some yourself, oh sorry I have to charge you more than last time, price increase ya know inflation

[Rockstar]

Biden throws Zelensky under the bus by starting the blame game over defeat in Ukraine.

Recall he has also said we will respond militarily against China over Taiwan. And he also demanded a regime change to replace Putin. So hopefully this Zelensky thing is just the ramblings of an old man who apparently forgot we've been preparing, training and equipping Ukraine for this war only for the last eight fek'in years now.


https://censor-net.translate.goog/ua..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Zelensky ignored our warnings of Russian invasion, Biden said


News Censor.NET War in Ukraine


US President Joe Biden believes that his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, like many others, may have ignored warnings from the United States on the eve of February 24 that Russia would invade Ukraine in full.
According to Censor.NET , citing Bloomberg , he said this during a meeting with voters in Los Angeles.


"I know a lot of people thought I might be exaggerating, but I knew, and we had evidence to prove that he [Putin] would cross the border. There was no doubt. And Zelensky didn't want to hear that, and a lot of people too, "Biden said.


He acknowledged that the possibility of a full-scale Russian invasion may have seemed far-fetched to many: "I understand why they did not want to hear it."


Zelensky, the National Security and Defense Council and the GUR have repeatedly stated that they more or less knew in advance about the invasion and prepared the country for defense as much as possible "so as not to cause panic."


The US president has accused Russian dictator Vladimir Putin of trying to destroy the culture, not just the nation of Ukraine. According to him, the leader of the Russian occupiers considers Kyiv "the cradle of Mother Russia." Джерело: https://censor.net/ua/n3347304

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

The coup d'etat was the Democratic party taking over the government

Yes, it was in fact a successful coup d'etat, successful because Obama's deep state makes the Mariana Trench look like a puddle. Obama is/was an evil genius.