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Old 03-24-23, 12:36 AM   #5416
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He never was going to jail, Markus.
So why did Trump say that he was going to be arrested?
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Old 03-24-23, 12:59 AM   #5417
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So why did Trump say that he was going to be arrested?
to quote former New York Judge Sol Wachtler, "A grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."
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So why did Trump say that he was going to be arrested?
Why did people believe Trump was going to be indicted on Thursday? Why did you believe any of it? And if you didn’t believe it, good for you. But then why argue over it?

Btw, I’m still taking bets. No.1 rule in gambling, you gotta bet big if you want to win big. So if you really believe here’s your chance
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Old 03-24-23, 04:33 PM   #5419
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Frustrated by the books being removed from school libraries, a Utah parent says there’s one that hasn’t been challenged yet, but that they believe should be, for being “one of the most sex-ridden books around.”
So they’ve submitted a request for their school district in Davis County to now review the Bible for any inappropriate content.
“Incest, onanism, bestiality, prostitution, genital mutilation, fellatio, dildos, rape, and even infanticide,” the parent wrote in their request, listing topics they found concerning in the religious text. “You’ll no doubt find that the Bible, under Utah Code Ann. § 76-10-1227, has ‘no serious values for minors’ because it’s pornographic by our new definition.”
Where they are right, they are right. And they did not even mention the many descriptions of murderings and war crimes and genocides. Quentin Tarantino could use it as a script for a new film without needing to edit it.
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Old 03-25-23, 01:20 AM   #5420
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Where they are right, they are right. And they did not even mention the many descriptions of murderings and war crimes and genocides. Quentin Tarantino could use it as a script for a new film without needing to edit it.
Are they? Or are they trying to push an agenda? I think age appropriateness and context plays a big role in the books that are being "banned" in school libraries. If memory serves me correctly, I recall libraries had age appropriate sections such as children, young adult, and general. and the Books in the children and young adult sections were appropriate to those age groups.
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But there’s a difference. Age suggested material is different from restricted or banned material. The books are still there and can be read.
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Old 03-25-23, 01:37 AM   #5422
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Where they are right, they are right. And they did not even mention the many descriptions of murderings and war crimes and genocides. Quentin Tarantino could use it as a script for a new film without needing to edit it.
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Are they? Or are they trying to push an agenda? I think age appropriateness and context plays a big role in the books that are being "banned" in school libraries. If memory serves me correctly, I recall libraries had age appropriate sections such as children, young adult, and general. and the Books in the children and young adult sections were appropriate to those age groups.

Meh, they are in Utah. They are in their own bubble. Plus, that means they actually hafta read the Old Testament. They will fall asleep, before they hit the juicy parts.
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But there’s a difference. Age suggested material is different from restricted or banned material. The books are still there and can be read.
That's a distinction without a difference. There are some subjects that just don't belong in a public school.

The falling proficiency of children in Math, Science, and Reading is pretty much a red flag indicator that maybe the school boards & districts should drop the activist topics and start concentrating on on the 3 R's.
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That's a distinction without a difference. There are some subjects that just don't belong in a public school.

The falling proficiency of children in Math, Science, and Reading is pretty much a red flag indicator that maybe the school boards & districts should drop the activist topics and start concentrating on on the 3 R's.
Like teaching about history and the arts? The school in question here was supposed to be focused on classical arts education.

Teaching just the three R's and not learning about the world you live in, and it's past, is great for educating a new class of worker bees. It starts sounding Orwellian to me which is likely why 1984 is on the banned book list.

Your point about the three R's is understood but people no longer need to use flash cards and learn multiplication tables to function in society. Language studies teach reading and writing as well as culture
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Meh, they are in Utah. They are in their own bubble. Plus, that means they actually hafta read the Old Testament. They will fall asleep, before they hit the juicy parts.



I never could get past all the begats.
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What I understand is that the scholars has changed dirty words with nice words

They have replaced these words with Feet. I kid you not, saw it on a documentary series about the bible.

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The code cited is the Utah law passed in 2022 to ban any books containing “pornographic or indecent” content from Utah schools, both in libraries and in the classroom.
Of course the comments about the Bible was like the stupid conservative parent in Florida and probably made by one stupid liberal parent who obviously either couldn’t or didn’t read the law either.

The Utah law defines pornography as something which may cause a child to have a prurient interest. I’m curious to know what books have actually been taken out of the library since this law went into effect. I’ll bet absolutely none have because I don’t think there were any in the library that met the criteria to begin with, maybe I’m wrong. But I’m thinking the content of school libraries hasn’t changed that much in the last 45 years.

The Utah law is very similar to the one in that other bastion of ‘fanatical’ conservatism, California.

The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California. It has three parts:

Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

I’ll bet ya most states regardless of the team have similar laws too.

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For the purpose of this part:
(1) "Blinder rack" means an opaque cover that covers the lower 2/3 of a material so that the lower 2/3 of the material is concealed from view.
(2) "Contemporary community standards" means those current standards in the vicinage where an offense alleged under this part has occurred, is occurring, or will occur.
(3) "Distribute" means to transfer possession of materials whether with or without consideration.
(4) "Exhibit" means to show.
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(a) "Harmful to minors" means that quality of any description or representation, in whatsoever form, of nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or sadomasochistic abuse when it:
(i) taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest in sex of minors;
(ii) is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community as a whole with respect to what is suitable material for minors; and
(iii) taken as a whole, does not have serious value for minors.
(b) Serious value includes only serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for minors.
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(a) "Knowingly," regarding material or a performance, means an awareness, whether actual or constructive, of the character of the material or performance.
(b) As used in this Subsection (6), a person has constructive knowledge if a reasonable inspection or observation under the circumstances would have disclosed the nature of the subject matter and if a failure to inspect or observe is either for the purpose of avoiding the disclosure or is criminally negligent as described in Section 76-2-103.
(7) "Material" means anything printed or written or any picture, drawing, photograph, motion picture, or pictorial representation, or any statue or other figure, or any recording or transcription, or any mechanical, chemical, or electrical reproduction, or anything which is or may be used as a means of communication. Material includes undeveloped photographs, molds, printing plates, and other latent representational objects.
(8) "Minor" means any person less than 18 years of age.
(9) "Negligently" means simple negligence, the failure to exercise that degree of care that a reasonable and prudent person would exercise under like or similar circumstances.
(10) "Nudity" means:
(a) the showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic area, or buttocks, with less than an opaque covering;
(b) the showing of a female breast with less than an opaque covering, or any portion of the female breast below the top of the areola; or
(c) the depiction of covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state.
(11) "Performance" means any physical human bodily activity, whether engaged in alone or with other persons, including singing, speaking, dancing, acting, simulating, or pantomiming.
(12) "Public place" includes a place to which admission is gained by payment of a membership or admission fee, however designated, notwithstanding its being designated a private club or by words of like import.
(13) "Sadomasochistic abuse" means:
(a) flagellation or torture by or upon a person who is nude or clad in undergarments, a mask, or in a revealing or bizarre costume; or
(b) the condition of being fettered, bound, or otherwise physically restrained on the part of a person clothed as described in Subsection (13)(a).
(14) "Sexual conduct" means acts of masturbation, sexual intercourse, or any touching of a person's clothed or unclothed genitals, pubic area, buttocks, or, if the person is a female, breast, whether alone or between members of the same or opposite sex or between humans and animals in an act of apparent or actual sexual stimulation or gratification.
(15) "Sexual excitement" means a condition of human male or female genitals when in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal, or the sensual experiences of humans engaging in or witnessing sexual conduct or nudity.
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Well there you go. What amounts to prurient is, ah, in the eyes of the beholder.

Of course, banning and censoring wouldn't cause any increased interest at all. LOL
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Well there you go. What amounts to prurient is, ah, in the eyes of the beholder.

Of course, banning and censoring wouldn't cause any increased interest at all. LOL

The law is in regard to school libraries and allows for the school board, local community and parents to work out. The federal court in California, the governing view of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit is found in Ripplinger v. Collins, 868 F.2d 1043 (1989):

“The average person would probably find that most hard-core pornography has little effect on him, and it may well disgust him. Or he may find that it is so overdone as to have anything but a stimulative effect. It is apparent that neither the Supreme Court nor the legislatures intended that tasteful pornography be suppressed while distasteful pornography remains unregulated. Rather, the emphasis must be on the intent or aim of the publication as a whole. If this aim is to produce psychic or physical stimulation, on a less than intellectual plane, and on a short-term basis, then the prurient-interest aspect of the test for obscenity has been met.”

But relax and keep fapping on, nobody is gonna take your porn away from you. You just aren’’t gonna find it in the school library here in the U.S. But like I said earlier, I don’t know of any school library that has ever allowed such things.

But now you never know with those pervs in Europe the way they’re ranting on and mocking the U.S. courts definition of pornography & Utah’s law. It seems they like showing porn to little children, it’s so progressive you know.
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