GER politics thread

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That is me responding to your post #1013

You said you have "done" something, in reply to Catfish. And I wonder what it is that has been done by you?


Whatever the recipe was, the dish is probably cold now.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You said you have "done" something, in reply to Catfish. And I wonder what it is that has been done by you?


Whatever the recipe was, the dish is probably cold now.

That is answered in #1011

You would need to go back to #989 to catch up.

[Skybird]

Ah, I have blocked some people now, am tired of it, so I could not fully follow the story leading to this.

[Onkel Neal]

I think we can all agree, whether we feel the NeoNazis and the alt-left socialist fanatics are left wing or right wing, they are dangerous to the rest of us. Calling up Lenin is an abomination that I can only explain to myself as a result of too much (?) democracy and freedom coupled with idiots spoiled by a standard of living that their ancestors only dreamed of.

[Skybird]

The violence in stuttgart is last but not least fostered by and blossoms on the political ground prepared by leftist politicians that even rank as high as up to the leadership of the SPD, which is in an open attempt to overtake the SED-successor party "Die Linke" on the outer left lane. That is the same SPD clique that tries to remove the Bundeswehr and NATO as well, wants to dismantle the Bundesverfassungsschutz and the MAD and BKA, and nthat makes two radical pacifists the driving force behind and the office holder of the parliaments' key post for overseeing the status of the military and serving as an adress for soldiers to direct complaints about their service at. Recently, as I described earlier, an arch-communist who is hostile to the constitutional order and capitalist market eocnomy and who was found to be corrupt in the GDR, has become - against the legal preconditions needed to be fulfilled - judge at a state'S constitutional high court, with help and tolerance of the Eastergerman CDU which not for the first time revolts against the Western dominance of leadership in the party.

Just days ago they published a poll amongst first time voters age 18-20. Of these, 42 would vote the Greens (very left), 24% CDU (centre-left), 9% SPD (extrenely left) 7% would vote for SED/Die Linke (bloody red left), 7% would vote AfD, and then other parties 4-5% I think would vote AfD, and the small rest woudl vote any other. That means of this age group 42+9+7 = 58% would vote for a very left party. And lets not be mistaken, the CDU is no longer a conservative party as well, maybe one can say it is the least left party of the bunch, but leftier than it was 20 years ago it is, easily. Merkel has occupied left themes in the past 16 years to steal the SPD's thunder. Thats why the SPD so desperately now turns even leftier-than-left. Its a race to the left side of the spectrum. This also explains why the AdD was allowed to drift further and further to the right and now is in the process of getting openly turned into the new NSDAP under a new name. It was not always just a Nazi party, but a mixed bag of libertarians, Euro-critics (but not EU-critical! The original founder (no Nazi at all, in no way, but a liberla market economist) insisted on his loyalty to the EU before he was chased away), desillusionsed moderates and centrists, and right wingers. A wild mixture. But over the years the Nazis have hijacked it more and more, the so-called Flügel ("wing") now is the decisive power in its internal structure against whose will nothing moves anymore.

And some years ago there was a huge study on the younger generation'S job ideas, and it was found that the biggest relative majority of them wanmts to enter state service in some bureaucratic function, as "Beamter", official, due to the hoped-for security and comfortability and financial privileges. The problem of course is that this sector does not produce, does not create wealth, instead lives and nourishes parasytically of those who actually do produce and take the risks of entrepreneurship. also, state sevants do not pay taxes. Think of it. They do not pay taxes - they get paid by taxes worked for by others.

Originally Posted by https://www.focus.de/politik/kommentar-zur-gewaltorgie-von-stuttgart-terror-hass-und-hetze-gegen-polizei-die-geistigen-ober-brandstifter-sitzen-in-berlin_id_12128177.html

The brutal attacks on police officers in Stuttgart may come as a surprise to many. They are only the logical consequence of a poisoned social climate, in which police officers are increasingly defamed and treated with disrespect. Responsible for the development: leftists from politics and media.

Germany in summer 2020. A state out of control. Police officers who are supposed to protect our country suddenly stand with their backs to the wall. You will be the target of brutal attacks.

Criminal hordes beat officials with iron bars, kick in uninhibitedly, destroy emergency vehicles. The perpetrators display their hatred of uniformed civil servants more openly than ever - and do not shy away from anything.
Perpetrators feel legitimate to be able to attack police officers

What happened in Stuttgart this weekend is a shame for our country. A devastating and dangerous signal. It says: If criminals join forces, they can hit state power sensitively and, at least temporarily, take control away from it.

It does not matter whether the perpetrators act for political reasons or not. The important thing is: you obviously feel legitimate and strong enough to be able to attack police officers - and thus the Federal Republic of Germany. Because nothing else represent the officials, who hold their heads every day for our security, scrub overtime and are often poorly paid for it.

There have always been attacks on police officers, whether at the May Day demonstrations in Berlin, at the G20 summit in Hamburg or at riots in Leipzig, a stronghold of the left-wing extremist scene. That is bad enough. But the violent orgy of Stuttgart puts everything in the shade.

"Actions follow words." This warning is heard again and again, mostly in connection with right-wing extremist activities. But it would be fatal to apply the sentence only to right-wing offenses. There are also spiritual arsonists on the left. With left parties. With left media.

The attacks in Stuttgart fall into a socio-political climate in which police hostility can thrive. Responsible for this: SPD leader and member of the Bundestag Saskia Esken.
Sentiment against the police: SPD leader and the "taz"

With her - unproven - claim that there is "latent racism in the ranks of the security forces" in Germany, the top politician has massively fueled reservations about police officers - and possibly prepared the ground for actions like now in Stuttgart. Bavaria's Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann (CSU) calls Eskens verbal streak "grossly negligent". That is very mild.

The left daily newspaper “taz”, based in Berlin, went one step further. In an allegedly satirical article, the author stated that police officers are best kept in a garbage dump “where they are really only surrounded by garbage. They certainly feel most comfortable among their own kind. ”

Wanting to dispose of police officers in a landfill - there is no better way to express your contempt for an entire professional group. To accuse the police of racism across the board - it would be better not to fire the "enemy of the police".

Saskia Esken and the "taz" author did not get involved in Stuttgart. But they helped create a climate that favored the terror of Stuttgart.

And this infamous scene, which is the talk of the day over here currently. From m:s 0:20 on.





Policemen, firefighters, medics both on the street and inside hospitals, get attacked now every day , often villently and by use of sticks, stones, bottles. Clan crime and criminal family clans from africa and the middle East often play a big role. OPolice now writing a ticket for wrogn parking must exoect in cities where such structures attack, that within 2 minutes they are under siege by 50, 100 and more enraged foreigners who bring up a whol street or block against the officers in no time.



Political reaction: NONE. More newcomers, please, is the parole. - This too is what made the AfD strong: the arroigant iggnorrance by the potlical "elites". In a poll recnetly a rlativ emajority of quizzed Germans saaid that they feell they live in a comate and a coutnry now where they can no longer freely say what their opinion is and that they may disagree with the wanted mainstream opinion, without needing to fear social sanctions, political diffamation and hostility by the state media.



I have a name for this suffocating climate we have. I call it the kingdom of the anaconda. Imagine the image, feel yourself into it. You maybe understand what I mean by it. In slightly other contexts I talked of gettingmloved to death by the gentle, inescapable embrace of the anaconda. Reason and arugment do not save you in this situation. With every word you make, you breathe out air, the snake'S e,mbrace slightly tightens immedioately, and every word becomes one step closer to getting strangled.

[skidman]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The violence in stuttgart is last but not least fostered by and blossoms on the political ground prepared by leftist politicians

Nonsense. Clubs still closed. Nowhere to go. Too much alcohol and that's it.

[Jimbuna]

Well, whatever the reason, it is totally unacceptable and should not be tolerated by the majority of the population who are law abiding citizens.

[skidman]

On that we can agree

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by skidman

Nonsense. Clubs still closed. Nowhere to go. Too much alcohol and that's it.

Yup, I couldn't find anything that would point as this being politically motivated. The police did some drug control and got mobbed by the youth present in the area and things escalated from there.

[mapuc]

Don't forget there are these anarchist who would travel far, if they get a chance to fight the police.

They don't belong to any political-thing(If I remember correctly)

Markus

[Skybird]

Stuttgart: some of you DO NOT WANT to see the nature of the phenomenon, it matches not your worldview. BTW, half of the attackers are described by the police to be migrants. Says not me - says the police and the official spokesmen in Stuttgart.

The left-leaning political climate and the dubious role of parties and politicians I described, also is fact, and if you only want, you can find evidence for all what I said in the media and press, in explicitly illustrating stories.

The chaotic drama of lacking in competence and again extreme left orientation of the senate in berlin also i would declare a fact, its the Green-Alternatives, the SED communists and the SPD-socialists ruining what there is left to ruin (currently investors and private patrons are fleeing the city in huge numbers and the decided limiting of appartment rents earleiie this years has reduce thre already too few available appartments by another 40%, which is very bad news for the army of flat-seekers. That is not due to corona, because other big cities had this planned-economy-induced drop, too: Hamburg, Munich, Frankfurt all saw a drop in flats due to Corona - the point is: these cities have already started recovering and are close to the former levels of free appartements again: in berlin the decline continues steeply, while the number of offerings of owner-occupied flats for sale have exploded. One wonders why... oh yes, oh why is this so...? Msaybe ask in Portugal until 2006. New York in the 70s. Geneva until today... the list of failed experiments can be cintinued.

But I stray off, because I wanted to mention Berlin for another reason. They have released - for Berlin - the statistics for attacks on policemen and firefighters in 2019, the fire brigades counted over 200 attacks on firefighters, attacks committed even with firefighters being on the way to work and being recognisable by the uniform trousers. The attacks range from stones, beatings, kicks to even knifes.The police has counted over 7000 attacks on its officers.


Attacks by migrants on dcotrs and nurses in hopsitals are roputine by now. Most hospitals have increased their security personnel just due to this. Swearing, threatening, spitting are now part of the job in many places, but ti doe snto sotp their. Beating, kicking, even the use of throwing objects, sticks and knifes are daily routine. It makes no more news in the daily news shows.


Verbal offences against polcie officers ARE NOT EVEN COUNTED in the above. Last time I heard about that was severla years ago, form an officer I knew. He said that already back then the verbal offences got supressed by courts since the courts are already drowning. The huge influx of sueing asylum seekers did not improve the workloads of courts. I once knew five polciemen. Threee cops, and two BKA agents. They all have quit early in revcent years, completely desillusionised. As "Staatsbeamte", they have quit on quite some pension priviliges. You do not do that easily.

The super-left senate does what it has done since years: failing to do anything, and protecting its voter clients by defending the attackers from serious and consequent criminal prosecution. Instead this Senate had passed a law that discriminates every police officer so fundamentally that other federla states and the national govenrment now refuse to send own police reinforcements into Berlin in case Berlin calls for help during mass events. I told of that in an earlier post in the past few days.

No left motivations and fundaments for these degenerative and corrosivce processes? Maybe it appears so. If one is deaf and blind and completely locked out from reality.

Near Stuttgart we lived for just one year when I was five (in today's Filderstadt), so i do not say I know the place. But Berlin I know a bit, since decades. But I think the police knows its cities, both berlin and Stuttgart. That is the police that the political left in the Bundestag has declared open hunting season on, and not just the SED and the Greens, but the SPD as well, its leadership running a racism campaign on it to benefit from the racism debate in the US and appealing to its voters. In fact the SPD currently is leading the pack - to win back their left voters that have turned away. Their problem only is that even many of their former voters do not follow them on this extremist course of theirs.

[em2nought]

Teddy Roosevelt statue comes down in USA, meanwhile Germany puts Lenin statue up https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-marx.../30681737.html

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Teddy Roosevelt statue comes down in USA, meanwhile Germany puts Lenin statue up https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-marx.../30681737.html

Glad you found the time to join the party.
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=1003

[Skybird]

In Stuttgart a 16 year old "party guest" has been charged with attempted slaughter. He kicked a student lying already on the ground with his boot to the head/face, "full power", as was said by somebody. By that he should have accepted the death of the attacked.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Teddy Roosevelt statue comes down in USA, meanwhile Germany puts Lenin statue up https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-marx.../30681737.html

The Statue in Gelsenkirchen was put up by the Marxist-Leninist-Workers Party of Germany (MLPD) which has 2800 members (as of 2018) all over Germany.This political party is so irrelevant it's not even irrelevant enough to be irrelevant.

Seattle has one too and it's even bigger, just sayin'.
3526 Fremont Pl N, Seattle, WA 98103, USA.

Both statues are on private property, there's not much you can do.