Wuhan virus 2020

[Skybird]

On German TV channel ARD + FOCUS writes:


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Virologist Christian Drosten [a leading voice among Germany's virologists, Skybird] was a guest on the ARD “Tagesthemen” on Thursday evening. He spoke to moderator Ingo Zamperoni about the new Omikron variant and its effects. Drosten emphasized that Omikron could be particularly dangerous for the unvaccinated. That is why, in addition to the fast booster, it is so important that all unprotected people "sit down" again to think again.

At the end of the interview, Zamperoni asked him whether we should expect more mutants and when Corona would finally become a normal cold.

Drosten explains: “Yes, that is an important question that you are asking. Mainly because there are now people again who say, 'It never ends anyway. Once you're on the train, you can't get down there ‘. This is really nonsense. We are on our way to an endemic state. So this virus will become a normal cold virus. "

This occurs especially in kindergarten, the adults would get infected from time to time and the older ones would have to make sure that they protect themselves with vaccinations in winter.

Drosten says he cannot promise that this will be the case as early as next year. But populations like in South Africa that are already fully immunized would soon come into this state.

The virologist continues: “I don't know whether already with Omikron or whether with a next variant. But that will stop. We will come to a state where we only refresh towards winter and probably not the whole population. It may be that we will have to replenish the whole population with a new vaccine in the winter next year. This is fortune telling, which we are slowly doing here, but I think what is not fortune telling is that it will stop - anytime soon. Next year, the year after next, maybe in three years. But then it's over. "

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And in essence this is what science and virologists say since quite some time now, since somewhere in the middle of last year. No real surprises in there.

[mapuc]

This Omicron is definitely more contagious than the Delta.

Yesterday Thursday the Danish health authorities found 796 with this variant.
Today Friday they found 1280 cases with this Omicron.

Not even Delta had this huge spreading so quick.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

No vaccine (regardless of the disease/illness) provides immunity. None whatsoever.


Vaccines provide protection, but never immunity. Protection always means a reduced risk of getting a disease as well as a reduction of severety, but still no perfect immunity.

In some cases this protection stays in place for a long term, but a refresher is still needed every now and then, unless there are external reasons (like living in a very-low-risk area).

According to the definition of immunity provided by our U.S. Center for Disease Control and Merriam-Webster dictionary they most certainly do provide an immunity.

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

According to the definition of immunity provided by our U.S. Center for Disease Control and Merriam-Webster dictionary they most certainly do provide an immunity.

Let's see then:


Merriam-Webster about immunity: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immunity


Merriam-Webster about vaccines: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine


CDC about immunity: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm




Immunity stems from the latin word "immunis" - excempt. Immunity in its basic, original sense means "you cannot be harmed at all". That's never the case with vaccines, never was, never will be. In the watered-down version immunity means "a certain resistance/protection". That's something vaccines offer, to a varying degree depending on the disease and the vaccine.


A vaccine never offers lifelong, complete immunity. A vaccination never guarantees that the vaccinated person will never get the disease the vaccine is against.
Vaccines prepare the immune system to deal with an infection so that it can react quickly once the virus shows up, which in turn means that the virus can ideally be dealt with long before the infection has serious consequences. But this protection is not perfect, because everyone's immune system reacts differently, because some viruses can cause damage before the immune systems reaction kicks in or for a number of other reasons.
Also the protection is reduced over time. The immune system stores virus information in special cells, and over time these cells die off. In some cases (some children's diseases like chickenpox) the immune system produces so many cells with the virus information that some of them will be around till the end of your life, which means that the immune system will have a way to quickly react at any point in your life. Whenever you are reinfected with chickenpox, your body will quickly react to it - but you still can be infected.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

No it’s not what other vaccines do, the other vaccines you compared too provide a lifetime immunity.

Wrong.

The Covidian Cult’s precious experimental vaccines are not a cure and only provides several months of protection and even that is dependent on the overall health of the vaccinated.

The "covidian cult", what is wrong with you?! No one speaks of a cure or immunity. And of course with falling ill with anything, or any vacination success and survival depends on the overall health. And no one denies that.
Cov-2 will be here as any other virus that ever was. Not one virus that ever was has been completely "eliminated", it does not work this way. It is about keping down the NUMBERS.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It is about keping down the NUMBERS.

Yet the numbers have not gone down. From what I see covid vaccines have not shown much effectiveness at all at either stopping the spread or lowering the death rate They certainly cannot be compared to an actually effective vaccine like the one for Smallpox for example.



How many booster shots do we need of that to prevent subsequent infection? None because that is a real vaccine, not this fake government sponsored crap they are trying to force down everyones throats.

[mapuc]

A Danish news paper had a story from Michigan where some Chief Physician should have said.
- Never has so many died since the beginning of this year. 289 have died with
Covid-19. 75% of these was either non vaccinated or got their second jab more than 6 month ago.

Markus

[Skybird]

Again, from the age before, for those who are slow in their heads or had too much dope when they were young:

Originally Posted by posted by "Skybird

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Among the corona intensive care patients are by no means only unvaccinated. Instead, the number of vaccinated Covid patients with severe courses continues to increase. They are what are known as “vaccination breakthroughs”.

The RKI records a corona case as a "probable vaccination breakthrough" if a Sars-CoV-2 infection with clinical symptoms was diagnosed in a fully vaccinated person using a PCR test or pathogen isolation.

According to the RKI report on Thursday, there have been a total of 362,130 vaccination breakthroughs in 57.7 million people since the beginning of the year. This corresponds to 0.6 percent of the total of those vaccinated.

They had a completed series of vaccinations

246.735 with Comirnaty (Biontech / Pfizer)
37,616 with Janssen (Johnson & Johnson)
28,933 with Vaxzevria (Astrazeneca)
19.160 with Spikevax (Moderna)
18.147 with a combination Vaxzevria / Comirnaty and
3318 with a combination Vaxzevria / Spikevax.

According to the RKI, in the case of a further 8821 vaccination breakthroughs, no assignment to the above-mentioned vaccines was made on the basis of the information available. Important: These numbers do not mean that the risk of a breakthrough is highest with a Biontech vaccination - only most people in Germany are vaccinated with Biontech.

According to the RKI, however, it is “to be expected” that the number of vaccination breakthroughs will increase over time. Because: “Since more and more people are generally vaccinated and Sars-CoV-2 is currently spreading again more and more. This increases the likelihood of coming into contact with the virus as a fully vaccinated person. "

However, by no means all of these breakthrough vaccinations need to be treated in intensive care units. According to the report, the breakthroughs are distributed very differently depending on the age group in the last documented calendar weeks 44 to 48.

Fully vaccinated among the symptomatic Covid sufferers were during this period

8.3 percent of 12 to 17 year olds (3,078 of 37,193 cases)
50.6 percent of 18 to 59 year olds (123,240 of 243,648 cases) and
70.6 percent of people over 60 (42,085 of 59,956 cases).

The proportion of fully vaccinated patients in hospitalized symptomatic Covid cases looks like this:

12 percent of 12 to 17 year olds (23 out of 191 cases)
30.2 percent of 18 to 59 year olds (1332 of 4414 cases) and
52.3 percent of people over the age of 60 (3557 of 6805 cases)

Completely vaccinated were among those Covid sufferers treated in intensive care during this period, however

0 percent of 12 to 17 year olds (0 out of 6 cases)
16.8 percent of 18 to 59 year olds (105 of 626 cases) and
41.1 percent of those over 60 (480 of 1168 cases).

The numbers show two things. On the one hand, the unvaccinated, although they make up “only” 30.6 percent of the total population (and that includes small children), are disproportionately represented in hospitalization and, above all, in intensive care units. On the other hand, the elderly, who were often vaccinated at the beginning of the year, are slowly showing the consequences of declining vaccination protection.

According to the current RKI data, 11,410 corona patients were treated in the hospital in these five weeks, 1,800 of them in the intensive care units. On the other hand, 6498 patients were unvaccinated among the hospitalized corona cases, 1215 of them were treated in intensive care.

The number of vaccination breakthroughs does not in any way deny the vaccinations their usefulness. Rather, it illustrates how strongly the virus can spread in a society in which around 25 million are still unvaccinated.

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The vaccines work. Thats not an issue of opinion or assumption or guessing - thats an issue of either beign capable to do the math correctly, or not.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The vaccines work. Thats not an issue of opinion or assumption or guessing - thats an issue of either beign capable to do the math correctly, or not.

going by your numbers, 43% of those 11410 patients were vaccinated, that's a lot of breakthrough cases.

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by MaDef

going by your numbers, 43% of those 11410 patients were vaccinated, that's a lot of breakthrough cases.

That would be a worrying number if the vaccination rate was at 50%, which it isn't. It is much higher, so the total number of vaccinated people vastly surpasses the number of unvaccinated people.
Taking everything into account it's about eight to nine times as likely for an unvaccinated person to end up in ITS compared to a vaccinated person. Things will get even worse for the unvaccinated if you split the cases into different age groups. While it's about a one to four ratio for people older than 80 it's already a one to ten ratio for people aged 60-70 and a one to 20 ratio for people aged 45-50. Below that age overall ITS numbers get too small to make definite conclusions, but there's a clear indication that the numbers are not going down.
And again: breakthroughs are to be expected. Vaccines aren't an impenetrable defense, and nobody who understands how vaccines work would claim they were.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

That would be a worrying number if the vaccination rate was at 50%, which it isn't. It is much higher, so the total number of vaccinated people vastly surpasses the number of unvaccinated people.
Taking everything into account it's about eight to nine times as likely for an unvaccinated person to end up in ITS compared to a vaccinated person. Things will get even worse for the unvaccinated if you split the cases into different age groups. While it's about a one to four ratio for people older than 80 it's already a one to ten ratio for people aged 60-70 and a one to 20 ratio for people aged 45-50. Below that age overall ITS numbers get too small to make definite conclusions, but there's a clear indication that the numbers are not going down.
And again: breakthroughs are to be expected. Vaccines aren't an impenetrable defense, and nobody who understands how vaccines work would claim they were.

LOL.,, If "They" can't dazzle "You" with brilliance, "They" baffle "You" with bull****. Myself, I'm still trying to understand the brouhaha over an infection with a >2% overall mortality rate.