Wuhan virus 2020

[Skybird]

It includes several of the earlier mutations, and adds new ones.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

re Omicron "[...] the doctors hope more people who are vaccinated will help prevent against any fatal cases. "I still don't think you'll see severe disease in vaccinated people because it's not going to be a naïve immune response," said Dr. Durrani."

The latest 'omicron' variant seems to mutate 50 times more often than the former delta variant, however patients are said to just become tired, without losing smell or taste, and no real serious symptoms as far as i read. So the initial 'omicron' symptomatic impact is relatively mild, and a booster shot will improve the body's response also against the spin-off variant.

Fingers crossed then

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by mapuc

[...] When you develop a vaccine against some kind of virus. You so to say create a key that fits in the lock on the virus.
When the virus mutate the key does not fit 100 % in the locker anymore. [...]

So how can todays vaccine be as effective as they say it will be on this new Corona variant. Markus

I am not trained in human medicine, so please take this with a grain of salt:

A virus does not live, so you cannot kill it.
It is a kind of hardware "program" bound to replicate itself; to do this a virus uses living cells which usually are being destroyed after the virus has run threw its three stages and becomes "virulent". When the initial immunosystem response is overwhelmed, the viruses will get abundant, infect other cells, mutate, and finally kill the whole organism.

Any immunosystem reacts when its host body's cell surfaces suddenly show a different 'flavour', it is programmed to kill those non-fitting cells by experience, from earlier infections. A basic immunosystem is being provided by the mother's, but it has to be trained to let the young host survive.

If enough of the infected cells are being destroyed by the immunosystem in time, the virus will be there but not longer able to replicate - because as soon as it infects a cell that cell is being destroyed.

When you get a classic vaccine shot with dead cells having been infected by a virus, it shows a certain "flavour", the immunosystem reacts and is thus being trained for the real attack. You get an infection, but not comparable to when you have a hord of living infected cells replicating the virus.

The new mrna "vaccines" train the immunosystem without infecting, the immunosystem is already being trained to find and destroy cells that have that certain feature the mrna vaccine "told" them to destroy.
For a stressed entity with a low-level immunosystem this mrna kind of vaccination is more 'mild' than using a "real" fake infection with dead virus-infected cells.

The covid viruses all cause their hijacked host cells to have a certain "flavour" (proteine surface, docking points), and it does not matter which exact virus variation causes the cell to show the wrong features. The corona viruses are very much alike, so there is hope that a trained immunosystem will attack all cells being infected, and showing those typical infected features.

I don't know whether this makes sense for you, the whole idea is to keep the virus numbers low enough, you will never get rid of it entirely.

[mapuc]

^ Thank you Catfish.

It makes sense to me.

However the vaccine was developed to fight the corona virus some mutation back - It was as I know developed to fight the L-strain and not the Delta.

The vaccine did had an effect on the Delta variant.
Now an almost new type of corona has appeared.

I guess as said before the vaccine need to be updated so it can beat the new variant.

Said on Danish tv-by an immunology
we are always 3 steps behind the virus.

Markus

[Skybird]

mRNA dpoes not use dead virus particles which to dose right for a vaccine is a diffoicult task, but they include a blueprint reader, so to speak, and that blueprint inserted in it is part of the m ap to create a virus. Only a tiny part of it, so that it cannto do damage, but a fraction gets recognised by the immune system as a training dummy against which it then can sparr to train itself. Adapting the mRNA now means that you have not to tear down the complete training hall and build a new one - you only carry out the old training dummy and bring in a newly designed blueprint, and the athletes (the immune system) then build themselves a new sparring dummy - and then the sparring can go on, but does so by slightly different moves, because the dummy is bigger, maybe heavier and maybe has some mechanical tricks the old one did not have.


Vaccines are no fighters, but "military advisors", or boxing trainers. The immune system trains itself. The vaccine only tells it how to do it quicker and more efficient.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by mapuc

[...] we are always 3 steps behind the virus.
Markus

This is universally so, but you can ask why it is this bad here. The l-strain has almost disappeared with only 60 percent or less vaccinations already.
The new variant(s) are able to replicate and mutate because humanity let them. The virus numbers were not kept down effectively enough. There never was much doubt about impact and effect of vaccinations among humanity, until now. Why?

You can argue that herd immunisation works, and.. it would. Not vaccinating any people, no corrections of teeth, liver diseases and so forth will kill all that are "unfit" in the long run, so a few "hardened" humans survive. We have seen how this works if being used politically.
But make no mistake, this will be around 5 percent surviving, of the current world population.
We are too many, but will people support this agenda when it comes to your own family, or friend, or to yourself.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

mRNA dpoes not use dead virus particles which to dose right for a vaccine is a diffoicult task, but they include a blueprint reader, so to speak, and that blueprint inserted in it is part of the m ap to create a virus. Only a tiny part of it, so that it cannto do damage, but a fraction gets recognised by the immune system as a training dummy against which it then can sparr to train itself. Adapting the mRNA now means that you have not to tear down the complete training hall and build a new one - you only carry out the old training dummy and bring in a newly designed blueprint, and the athletes (the immune system) then build themselves a new sparring dummy - and then the sparring can go on, but does so by slightly different moves, because the dummy is bigger, maybe heavier and maybe has some mechanical tricks the old one did not have.

Aha so this mRNA train the body to discover all kind of Corona variation even the new one and develop keys to fight it.

Markus

[Skybird]

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/statu...38724131471362

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Aha so this mRNA train the body to discover all kind of Corona variation even the new one and develop keys to fight it.

Markus

The vaccine gives a blueperint by which the body builds a training dummy to sparr against. The dummy then will be like the blueprint describes it to be, so everything depends on the content of the blueprint the mRNA vaccine. That blueprint is what the "messenger" in "messenger RNA is about.

[Rockstar]

This new variant was discovered by the chair of the South African Medical Association, a woman called Angelique Coetzee. Here's how she describes the threat: “Looking at the mildness of the symptoms that we are seeing, currently, there's no reason for panicking as we don't see severely ill patients”.

And what is Moderna’s CEO response regarding Omicron?: “This is not going to be good”. Which if you look at from the CEO’s financial point of view it’s certainly not going to be good as nature takes it’s course and cuts into their profit margin.

Meanwhile Europe panics, new laws, closures, isolations, and other nonsense.

And before our resident internet crusaders go off and start fact checking snopes and other politically biased b.s. con jobs

Here is the good doctor explaining in her own words.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/stat...que-coetzee%2F


Let me be the first and nominate all mandate nazis for this years Darwin Award.

[Skybird]

Again:

Originally Posted by Skybird

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/statu...38724131471362

[Rockstar]

CNN reporter scary, gloom, despair, deadly viruses everywhere, fear mongering. “It’s probably not gonna be all that bad”. - Director of the NIH Dr. Francis Collins LOL

[mapuc]

Is our authorities and our press painting the devil on the wall ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

It's time for EU member states to consider making Covid vaccinations mandatory, says the European Commission president.

Ursula von der Leyen says: "This needs a common approach, but it is a discussion that I think has to be led"

A total of 22 cases of the new Omicron variant have been confirmed in the UK so far - 13 in England and nine in Scotland.

NHS England is to issue detailed guidance to hospitals, pharmacists and GPs about expanding the Covid booster vaccine rollout.

Health Secretary Sajid Javid is urging people to be "sensible" around Christmas parties and consider taking rapid tests.

British tourists travelling to Spain now require a certificate proving they are fully vaccinated.

In Australia, police have arrested three people who broke out of a Covid quarantine compound in the middle of the night.