Wuhan virus 2020

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

B.t.w. Your John Galt would probably have been an anti vaccer, and encouraged all to do business as usual to keep up his own personal business, and income. If people are dumb, let them.

John Galt, if he were a nurse, would have refused to sacrifice himself for the stupdity or laziness of those ending up in ICU unvaccinated. If he were the figure described in the novel, he would have let reason command his action. He would have gotten the jab, and in any form would have insisted to pay for it directly or indirectly if thinbking that he had not already done so by paying taxes - and sold his metal to those who are willing to pay his price that he reasonably calculated.

He would not have distributed free lunches, nor let himself getting abused in the name of "altruism".

You should know than Republicans back then and today, and Reagan especially, tried to hijack Rand for their cause. And that Ayn Rand despised the Republicans and especially Reagan. Trump and Rand for example would have been natural antagonists.


It is said that the Nobel for medicine this year did not go to the inventors of the BioNTech vaccine, what many observers expected, because of activists lobbying against them for not willing to work unpaid and giving the vaccine for free to the third world.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ True, but look at some comments here or what is said in talk shows. It is not only dumb politicians, others are not better. No one has to testify for any education to become politician here.

Then there is lobby pressure from all sides economy, who want their business to run without inconvenient restriction just to save a few lives.

The reluctance to prolong a general(!) lockdown and simply make vaccinations mandatory have helped the virus multiply in a way it is now here to stay.
Some people with their "only 0,4 percent die blah" do not understand what exponential growth means.

We made it easy for the virus, the answer to the pandemic was not determined enough, now it has had enough time to multiply and mutate.

As said before if you do not intervene and let certain media and self-appointed "experts" on the internet – along with certain media, propaganda and quirks have their say publicly, you get the least common denominator, and the result is what we have. You do not get facts removed by not believing in it.

But I am of the strong opinion that governments should have and must have the competence and strength to say No to lobbyists, and further, that lobbyists should have no access to parliaments and government and party offices in the first, becasue that overruns the principle of "one man, one vote".

Also I am strictly against that people who are totally foreign to a given branch, say defence or health, are no professional defence experts or militaries, no doctors and experienced health practitioners or medical research scientists, can become top boss - minister - for a given branch. They are necessarily dilettantes then who know scrap of nothing and are highly vulnerable to try running a branch by working procedures from a completely different field of work: but one that they happen to know (maybe) - without ever beign able to assess whether these foreign, injected procedures even match with the actual branch's needs and nature.



We have governments made of dilettantes. They are experienced in forming networks to support the actual minister's career, but often on the matter they should supervise, they are clueless. Worse, they may over some years maybe even jump from branch to branch and head several different branches as if they were omnipotent supermen who know and are capable of all and evertyhing and the thing they do not know were practically unimaginable.



We live in the age of dillettantes.

[Skybird]

The German state of Saxony has eased daily working time limitations in crematories. Employees now can run 12 hour shifts, burning bodies.

[Skybird]

Die Welt writes:


Scientists see the roots of the “Querdenker” movement (=wrong headed thinkers) in Baden-Württemberg in the left-wing alternative milieu. Sociologists from the University of Basel, on behalf of the [SPD-close] Heinrich Böll Foundation, examined the connections to earlier protest movements and the role of certain socio-cultural milieus in the emergence of the movement.

Around 30 percent of the around 1150 respondents said they had voted for the Greens earlier, as Oliver Nachtwey, who is behind the study, explained on Monday in Stuttgart. Nachtwey spoke of a movement from left to right - and of an "alienation process" from the Greens. Many participants in the movement no longer see a home in the party and vote for the AfD.

[mapuc]

Hmm must be different between Germany and Denmark.
´cause here it's my friends on the right who are 'wrong headed thinkers'

Markus

[Skybird]

Have they always been "right"? Maybe they migrated from the left to the right side of the political spectrum, like in the exmaple of former Greens turning to the AfD in Germany. Myself, I once was anti-nuclear, anti-firearms, pro-EU, pro state and pro taxes. Could you believe that?


What happened to me, you maybe ask?


Well, twenty years of being cluster-bombed with examples illustrating to me that I was wrong with my former views and did not realise where I was inconsistent or even self-contradicting in my views - thats what happened to me. Though I never considered myself as "left" (I dispised socialism already at school age), and never as "right" (I see myself mostly as libertarian and believing in freedom and self-responsibility and the golden rule).

[Skybird]

My hometown this evening:

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Have they always been "right"? Maybe they migrated from the left to the right side of the political spectrum, like in the exmaple of former Greens turning to the AfD in Germany. Myself, I once was anti-nuclear, anti-firearms, pro-EU, pro state and pro taxes. Could you believe that?


What happened to me, you maybe ask?


Well, twenty years of being cluster-bombed with examples illustrating to me that I was wrong with my former views and did not realise where I was inconsistent or even self-contradicting in my views - thats what happened to me. Though I never considered myself as "left" (I dispised socialism already at school age), and never as "right" (I see myself mostly as libertarian and believing in freedom and self-responsibility and the golden rule).

Sounds like you describe my life.
except in my youth I was a right wing person. Today I'm political neutral

Was a little too quick, there are some of my right wing friends who are fully vaccinated and try to debunk fake stories.

Markus

[Catfish]

That anyone would think of the "Querdenker" movement as left-wing, can only be an idea of the right-wing newspaper "Die Welt"

Yes, meanwhile queers everywhere all through the spectrum, but all of those i know of those "Querdenker" are on the politically right wing

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

That anyone would think of the "Querdenker" movement as left-wing, can only be an idea of the right-wing newspaper "Die Welt"

No, neither is Die Welt right but centrist-left leaning, and the study their report bases on was done by "the university of Basel on behalf of the Böll-foundation" - a foundation that is in principle an SPD-foundation.

[Catfish]

"Die Welt" is an Axel (Caesar) Springer offspring, surely no one would call them or their successors "left" in any respect?

[Skybird]

I said: 1)centrist-2)left leaning. They often just parrot the left Zeitgeist and sing the opinionated songs of the wolf pack. Note that nevertheless I do quote them frequently.

I prefer the Swiss NZZ to every other German tongued newspaper, currently. Centrist-right leaning.I could quote them more often than I actually do.

[Skybird]

A good review on the historical reasons why so many Europeans of German tongue are unvaccinated. But for no money I can get Google to translate it. Try your own luck with entering the link or text, or use your alternative translation source.



There is plenty of traditional vaccination scepticism in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, and even after the first mandatory - and quite successful - vaccination in Germany in 1847, against pox, agitation against vaccination remained strong. All countries and even parts of northern Italy speak German, German is the most spoken language in Europe, before English, French, or Spanish. Mutual supportive opinion pieces and conspiration theories thus can spread in Europe faster and cover greater terrain in German than in any other language. Its thus not a random event that vacicnaitoncanmpaigns stalled espoecially in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, at least the Swiss scepticism movement is very strong



What the author ignores is the tradition of the health movement and body cult of the Nazis, and before them the naturlaists (FKK naked bathing and all that...) that I think also must be mentioned. As I always say, Germans are hysterical romanticists, and that includes health, body and food. But okay, you cannot have it all, the article is good enough as it is..


https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...ue#pageIndex_2

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Skybird

My hometown this evening:

What a truly wonderful place you live Skybird and I do love the old churches.

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I said: 1)centrist-2)left leaning. They often just parrot the left Zeitgeist and sing the opinionated songs of the wolf pack. Note that nevertheless I do quote them frequently.

That's quite an interesting "interpretation". Die Welt is certainly not left leaning, and no, they are not parroting anyone. It has always been a moderately conservative newspaper. Over the past years Die Welt has become an echo chamber of right wing talking points, frequently repeating and distributing them, but in a quieter, seemingly more sophisticated way than BILD.

It is said that the Nobel for medicine this year did not go to the inventors of the BioNTech vaccine, what many observers expected, because of activists lobbying against them for not willing to work unpaid and giving the vaccine for free to the third world.

Hardly anyone in the sciences expected the Nobel for medicine go to them, it would have been extremely unusual. A nobel Prize is almost always awarded years or even decades after the invention/discovery it's awarded for has been made public.