Horizon band fix

John Pancoast · 12-29-21, 07:27 PM

I know OLC did this years ago for the 16k environment. Unfortunately he doesn't receive private messages and hasn't been here in years anyway.
I'd like to try to eliminate the band on the stock 8k environment if possible. Anyone know his steps on how he did it for the 16k ?

FUBAR295 · 12-29-21, 08:18 PM

John,

Did you look at this thread?

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=151558

Not sure if this helps.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

John Pancoast · 12-29-21, 09:08 PM

Thanks Bob. Much is about extending the horizon which I'm not interested in but the comments about the sky, cloud, and fog domes may be a help.
Time to take a look and see.

FUBAR295 · 12-29-21, 09:38 PM

Not much around for what you are looking for. There may be a nugget in that thread somewhere. Have you tried reaching out to Hitman?

John Pancoast · 12-29-21, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FUBAR295

Not much around for what you are looking for. There may be a nugget in that thread somewhere. Have you tried reaching out to Hitman?

I'm sure the sky, cloud, and fog domes are crucial to it. I've found the fog section in scene.dat but not one for the sky and cloud domes.
Other sky/cloud info. but not seeing that.

No, haven't contacted Hitman but think I will. Maybe I'll dig around OLC2 too and compare that to stock for clues, even though it's a 16k env.

Mister_M · 12-30-21, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

I know OLC did this years ago for the 16k environment. Unfortunately he doesn't receive private messages and hasn't been here in years anyway.
I'd like to try to eliminate the band on the stock 8k environment if possible. Anyone know his steps on how he did it for the 16k ?

What band ? Do you mean the fog band over the horizon ? If so, you should try in this order :

1. Remove the fog texture.
2. Modify the 3D model of the fog or its UV-mapping.

John Pancoast · 12-30-21, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister_M

What band ? Do you mean the fog band over the horizon ? If so, you should try in this order :

1. Remove the fog texture.
2. Modify the 3D model of the fog or its UV-mapping.

It's that narrow band from the horizon line to the cloud or sky layer. Most visible at night as a narrow black band.
16k envs had it too until OLC figured out how to get rid of it.

Mister_M · 12-30-21, 07:02 AM

You should read here, a lot of useful info :

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...60#post2248860

John Pancoast · 12-30-21, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister_M

You should read here, a lot of useful info :

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...60#post2248860

Thanks ! Yes, lots of good information.

Hebe Vollmaus · 12-30-21, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

I know OLC did this years ago for the 16k environment. Unfortunately he doesn't receive private messages and hasn't been here in years anyway.
I'd like to try to eliminate the band on the stock 8k environment if possible. Anyone know his steps on how he did it for the 16k ?

As far i can tell the "Horizon Band" exist on the GWX 16k ENV before the version of GWX v30 16k came out. For example it still exist in GWX v2.1 16k. To see the difference visual compare these versions inGame.
Such a Band does not exist in unmodified SH3 nor in GWX v30 8k.

John Pancoast · 12-30-21, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hebe Vollmaus

As far i can tell the "Horizon Band" exist on the GWX 16k ENV before the version of GWX v30 16k came out. For example it still exist in GWX v2.1 16k. To see the difference visual compare these versions inGame.
Such a Band does not exist in unmodified SH3 nor in GWX v30 8k.

Right, OLC fixed it for 3.0 via OLC 2 (Gold, etc.) Iirc, he fixed it on NYGM's 16 too.
On my installs anyway, the band is easily visible at night with stock and 3.0 8k.
No big deal though; I'm more curious of the "mechanics" behind the fix vs. anything else.

Mister_M · 12-30-21, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

On my installs anyway, the band is easily visible at night

If you just want to remove the band during night, then you should only edit the fog color in EnvColors_Atl.dat

John Pancoast · 12-30-21, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister_M

If you just want to remove the band during night, then you should only edit the fog color in EnvColors_Atl.dat

Yes, but messing with the colors in those files messes up the sensors I believe.

Mister_M · 12-31-21, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Yes, but messing with the colors in those files messes up the sensors I believe.

No, only the color of the lights (sun, ambiant) has an effect on the AI visual sensor.

John Pancoast · 12-31-21, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister_M

No, only the color of the lights (sun, ambiant) has an effect on the AI visual sensor.

Hmmm....I seem to recall OLC stating that messing witht the EnvColors files does too.
Right, here it is.

12-29-21, 07:27 PM	#1
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,183 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 4	Horizon band fix I know OLC did this years ago for the 16k environment. Unfortunately he doesn't receive private messages and hasn't been here in years anyway. I'd like to try to eliminate the band on the stock 8k environment if possible. Anyone know his steps on how he did it for the 16k ? __________________ "Realistic" is not always GAME-GOOD." - Wave Skipper

12-29-21, 08:18 PM	#2
FUBAR295 Krusty Krab Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Decks awash in the North Atlantic Posts: 1,276 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 0	John, Did you look at this thread? https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=151558 Not sure if this helps. Good hunting, FUBAR295 __________________ Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

12-29-21, 09:08 PM	#3
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,183 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 4	Thanks Bob. Much is about extending the horizon which I'm not interested in but the comments about the sky, cloud, and fog domes may be a help. Time to take a look and see. __________________ "Realistic" is not always GAME-GOOD." - Wave Skipper

12-29-21, 09:38 PM	#4
FUBAR295 Krusty Krab Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Decks awash in the North Atlantic Posts: 1,276 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 0	Not much around for what you are looking for. There may be a nugget in that thread somewhere. Have you tried reaching out to Hitman? __________________ Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

12-30-21, 07:02 AM	#8
Mister_M Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 792 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	You should read here, a lot of useful info : https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...60#post2248860