[REL] Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate, full release

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

this one has me baffled. we are 11 or 12 missions into a Gar career. it is late 1943.

as we leave on patrol, our torpedo load looks like this:


as soon as we shove off on patrol, tubes 1-4 change loads:


i've been trying to figure out which torpedoes are the stowaways without any luck. i THINK they are German.

the big question is: why the sudden change?

i have already deleted the Save Folders and it made no difference.
then i removed all mods after 410_Strategic_Map_Symbols and it made no difference.
then i started the next mission and saved it, exited, and browsed the save file for ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc. Tubes 1-4 are still loaded with Mk18's....even though they appear in the game as German T1(G7a).

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Ubisoft\FOTRSU V1.8\MODS]

100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v1.8
101_FotRSUv18_FixPak
200 Nihon Kaigun v1.3_FotRSU
300 Nippon_Maru_v1.9b_FotRSU
301_MoreDifficultAI00
310 Combined Roster
399_NoScrollNavMap
410_Strategic_Map_Symbols
500 Jimimadrid Sailors for FotRSU
550 Jimimadrid SubManagement
600 - 3000 Yard Bearing Tool (1920x)
610 Webster's 300' Underwater Visability for v1.5
999 Flotillas Fix for Argo&Nautilus

We have not attempted to look through jimimadrid's Management mod, but if he brought his torpedoes in with the mod, then that is the problem. It and FotRSU have two different ID calls for torpedoes, and that probably is the Ge7 you have there KM. If you go ahead and shoot one, you will likely have multiple wake trails as it travels. The further it goes, the more tails... Look in his mod folder, and if there is a Library folder with Torpedoes_US.* in it, deactivate the mod, remove those files from the package, then re-activate. His torpedo mod is already in FotRSU with altered ID calls...

[mazzi]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

as soon as we shove off on patrol, tubes 1-4 change loads:

This is not exact, but in my opinion the error should be looked for in the NSS_Gar.upc file.
If the Tambor boat performs correctly under similar conditions, then let developers make NSS_Gar.upc from the NSS_Tambor.upc file.
There are several lines to change in the NSS_Tambor.upc file, and rename file in NSS_Gar.upc of course.
Or make NSS_Gar.upc from another 'working' *.upc file of other boats, but it will be more difficult.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by mazzi

This is not exact, but in my opinion the error should be looked for in the NSS_Gar.upc file.
If the Tambor boat performs correctly under similar conditions, then let developers make NSS_Gar.upc from the NSS_Tambor.upc file.
There are several lines to change in the NSS_Tambor.upc file, and rename file in NSS_Gar.upc of course.
Or make NSS_Gar.upc from another 'working' *.upc file of other boats, but it will be more difficult.

the upc files show Mk18, as they should. i think the problem lies elsewhere.
but, thanks for the suggestion!

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

We have not attempted to look through jimimadrid's Management mod, but if he brought his torpedoes in with the mod, then that is the problem. It and FotRSU have two different ID calls for torpedoes, and that probably is the Ge7 you have there KM. If you go ahead and shoot one, you will likely have multiple wake trails as it travels. The further it goes, the more tails... Look in his mod folder, and if there is a Library folder with Torpedoes_US.* in it, deactivate the mod, remove those files from the package, then re-activate. His torpedo mod is already in FotRSU with altered ID calls...

jimi's Sailors Mod DOES have US_Torpedo files but they are not the problem.
i think that the activeuserplayerunits file was corrupted a couple of missions ago when our sub was wrecked and we were given a Porpoise as an "upgrade". i had to edit the activeuserplayerunits file to bring my old crew to my new boat and i must have messed up during the multiple-copy-paste operations.

thanks for the hints, though. never thought that jimi's Sailors Mod would have torpedo files. maybe the version i am using included the new torpedos files and later versions did not have that included. i'll check out the current version.


p.s. the current Sailors Mod does NOT have torpedoes files. i will swap it out with the rebuilt config.

[propbeanie]

Here is the original "find" KM, from back in June of 2023:

FotRSU Post 5525

So jimimadrid's torpedo mod works fine in SH4 and most other mods, but FotRSU has several files that have different IDs for some equipment. There-in lies the rub. With his torpedo mod in FotRSU, the ID actually calls the G7a torpedo for Tubes 1-4, like you are driving a Type VIIC... Leave the torpedo files out of the crew management mod, and the base jimimadrid files already in FotRSU will do appropriate calls, since we edited the ID numbers.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by mazzi

This is not exact, but in my opinion the error should be looked for in the NSS_Gar.upc file.
If the Tambor boat performs correctly under similar conditions, then let developers make NSS_Gar.upc from the NSS_Tambor.upc file.
There are several lines to change in the NSS_Tambor.upc file, and rename file in NSS_Gar.upc of course.
Or make NSS_Gar.upc from another 'working' *.upc file of other boats, but it will be more difficult.

The calls for torpedoes are different purposefully. We want to differentiate between the two boat classes, even though about the only differences were the names on the bulkheads... lol - The issue is attributed to the ID for the named torpedoes (Mark 18). When the game goes to "call" the torpedo, it looks at the ID number and finds the G7a. Since the German boats do not have after torpedoes, and their fore torpedoes are stored differently, you will not notice the other torpedoes change until they go to load in Tubes 1-4... If you shoot one of the G7a torps, it will be replaced by another, in spite of the Mark 18 picture being in the stores...

[mazzi]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

the upc files show Mk18, as they should. i think the problem lies elsewhere.
but, thanks for the suggestion!

There is an error in the NSS_Gar.upc file because of this, the game does not take into account Mk18 which are registered in this file and therefore further torpedoes are taken from the .sim file (specifically this is NSS_Tambor.sim).
In the NSS_Tambor.sim file for all TA indicate German T1 torpedoes.

Start a new career on the Tambor boat in 1944-1945, go to sea and see what kind of torpedoes do you have?
Then start a new career on the Gar boat in 1944-1945, go out to sea again and look at the torpedoes again.
If both Tambor and Gar work, then you have ruined the game recordings.
If Tambor works but Gar does not, then there is an error in the NSS_Gar.upc file.
It won’t take much time, but you will know exactly who is to blame.

[mazzi]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

The calls for torpedoes are different purposefully. We want to differentiate between the two boat classes, even though about the only differences were the names on the bulkheads... lol - The issue is attributed to the ID for the named torpedoes (Mark 18). When the game goes to "call" the torpedo, it looks at the ID number and finds the G7a. Since the German boats do not have after torpedoes, and their fore torpedoes are stored differently, you will not notice the other torpedoes change until they go to load in Tubes 1-4... If you shoot one of the G7a torps, it will be replaced by another, in spite of the Mark 18 picture being in the stores...

The Soviet boat 'SHCHuka X series' had a similar problem.
I couldn't figure out what was missing in the original file NSS_ShchX.upcge in order for everything to work correctly.
As a result, I changed the file NSS_ShchVbis2.upcge (from the working boat 'SHCHuka Vbis2') for the boat 'SHCHuka X series'.

But I won’t say anything; things may be different for you.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

So jimimadrid's torpedo mod works fine in SH4 and most other mods, but FotRSU has several files that have different IDs for some equipment. There-in lies the rub. With his torpedo mod in FotRSU, the ID actually calls the G7a torpedo for Tubes 1-4, like you are driving a Type VIIC... Leave the torpedo files out of the crew management mod, and the base jimimadrid files already in FotRSU will do appropriate calls, since we edited the ID numbers.

yes but no.
i backed out all of the mods in my list and ran with Stock and still had the german fish in tubes 1-4. somehow, the career save file got corrupted. i am blaming myself since i am the CO.

so, i restarted my career with a same boat class in approximately the same time period with a new d/l of the sailor's mod which does not have the torpedo files and things are off to a good start.