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Old 10-05-21, 06:19 PM   #2746
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Primary is to defend the Constitution

Isn't the President a part of the Constitution ?

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Um, no, not really. He believed he was an exception to it, even.
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Old 10-05-21, 06:55 PM   #2747
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I am prior service. And, apparently, I have a firmer grip on this than you ... or Otto. The UCMJ absolves everyone in the military from following unlawful orders. Even orders from the POTUS. And yes, that includes anticipating the potential of (in this world of potential nuclear Armageddon). Remember, this was a 'president' who tried to float the idea of nuking a hurricane. He wanted to push that button so bad.
LOL you didn’t read your own link again did you? Just an FYI, but Career Balance probably isn’t the best source on the UCMJ or military matters. I’m not aware of any article in the UCMJ that absolves you from disobeying an unlawful order. Though it does have one helluva a lot about punishment for NOT following a lawful order.

Here’s what happens if you disobey a lawful order. 1st it will be presumed the orders given to you were lawful ones. But of course you in all your knowledge of woke social justice theory disobey them because in your experience as a defense attorney and a constitutional lawyer you think they were unlawful.

The first order of business is that you will be brought up charges for failing to obey a lawful order. See the thing is the UCMJ doesn’t have to prove a damn thing. It’s you who will have to prove the order was unlawful only then do you stand a chance. So you had better have a damn good lawyer to defend your position.
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Old 10-05-21, 07:01 PM   #2748
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Isn't the President a part of the Constitution ?

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I think it’s article 2 of the constitution that goes into how a president is elected and what his authority is.
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Old 10-05-21, 07:04 PM   #2749
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LOL you didn’t read your own link again did you? Just an FYI, but Career Balance probably isn’t the best source on the UCMJ or military matters. I’m not aware of any article in the UCMJ that absolves you from disobeying an unlawful order. Though it does have one helluva a lot about punishment for NOT following a lawful order.

Here’s what happens if you disobey a lawful order. Because it will be presumed your orders will be given to you as lawful ones. But you in all your woke social justice disobey them because in all your experience as a defense attorney and a constitutional lawyer you think they were unlawful.

The first order of business is that you will be brought up charges for failing to obey a lawful order. See the thing is the UCMJ doesn’t have to prove a damn thing. It’s you who will have to prove the order was unlawful. So you had better have a damn good lawyer to defend your position.


https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...08dod-ucmj.pdf
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Old 10-05-21, 08:18 PM   #2750
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Old 10-05-21, 08:32 PM   #2751
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Old 10-06-21, 06:57 AM   #2752
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Yep - typical of you to ignore the context. A creep stating the truth is still stating the truth. It absolutely is true that if a political movement wins the hearts and minds of young people it has captured their support for the future. Doesn't matter who said it, it's still true. That Hitler said it makes it no less true or him no less despicable. But you already knew that...
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Yep - typical of you to ignore the context. A creep stating the truth is still stating the truth. It absolutely is true that if a political movement wins the hearts and minds of young people it has captured their support for the future. Doesn't matter who said it, it's still true. That Hitler said it makes it no less true or him no less despicable. But you already knew that...
Of course he did. Whoever resurrected his abandoned forum account knows it too.

Just for the record this kneejerk reaction is what Arlo is using to try and divert our attention from the absolutely horrible job the Biden Admin and that idiot Kamala Smith are doing on immigration.

The horrible terrible (according to him) thing that Miller said:
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"Hitler was right on one thing. He said, ‘Whoever has the youth has the future."
Well like it or not he was right about that and so is she.

Hitler also said that the color of the sky was blue but Arlo probably has a stupid internet meme for that too. Ha. Just "one thing" and Arlo shoots himself in the foot by bringing it up.
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Old 10-06-21, 08:27 AM   #2754
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Old 10-07-21, 07:22 AM   #2755
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Biden's poll numbers are not so good.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1445847967186014210

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-7320.html
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Old 10-07-21, 04:53 PM   #2756
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"More than half of the American people—55%—say the Biden administration is not competent in running the government."


Gonna get worse too.
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Gonna get worse too.
Why's that?
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Why's that?
Got to put up with 3 more years of stupidity.

I think it's about time to look at dissolving the "Union"
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Got to put up with 3 more years of stupidity.

I think it's about time to look at dissolving the "Union"
If you're attempting to answer for August, that's not so much an answer than a feeling. Angst caused a lot of problems in this nation, leading to the previous disasterous admin. . And 'dissolving the Union' was someone's 'answer' 160 years ago. That didn't work out well for the secessionists.

So I'll ask again.

"Gonna get worse too. "

Why's that?
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If you're attempting to answer for August, that's not so much an answer than a feeling. Angst caused a lot of problems in this nation, leading to the previous disasterous admin. . And 'dissolving the Union' was someone's 'answer' 160 years ago. That didn't work out well for the secessionists.

So I'll ask again.

"Gonna get worse too. "

Why's that?
3 more years of stupidity.
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