Rest In Peace: Wolfgang Petersen

Sangamon Taylor · 08-16-22, 06:14 PM

I make my living as a sound mixer and with the possible exception of Dr Strangelove, Das Boot is up there as my favorite film of all time with one of the greatest sound mixes ever by Milan Bor (RIP). In the early 90’s I went to Munich and mixed a film directed by Volker Schlondorff in Milan Bor’s mixing stage at Bavariafilm. They still had the submarine on the lot and you could go in it. It was tiny. I have no idea how they shot that film on such a cramped set. It’s been a lasting memory. I thought you all should know of this tremendous loss. Rest In Peace Wolfgang Petersen.

https://deadline.com/2022/08/wolfgan...wMIVxEU5g5M2Mg

pabbi · 08-16-22, 06:45 PM

Rest in peace Wolfgang Petersen

Mork_417 · 08-16-22, 06:50 PM

Rest in Peace Sir.

Mad Mardigan · 08-16-22, 07:01 PM

Rest In Peace Wolfgang Petersen.

Kpt. Lehmann · 08-16-22, 11:30 PM

Rest in peace, Wolfgang Petersen. Thank you.

Fifi · 08-17-22, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Rest in peace, Wolfgang Petersen. Thank you.

Agreed

Rhodes · 08-17-22, 04:29 AM

R.I.P.!

GrenSo · 08-17-22, 04:52 AM

He created one of the best submarine movie.

R.I.P.

Jimbuna · 08-17-22, 12:27 PM

R.I.P

FUBAR295 · 08-17-22, 12:41 PM

RIP

A great movie maker will be missed.

OG Hase · 08-18-22, 08:23 AM

"Das Boot" has made him literally immortal. He also made other great movies of course. "Troy" was awesome imo. But the series(!) "Das Boot" is a milestone in German Moviemaking next to "Der Untergang". Some years ago I had contacted him and asked him to make the ultimate new movie about the "Bismarck". Now he has gone it would only be Cameron left to do that. Anyway - R.I.P. Wolfgang and "vielen Dank für alles"! "Achtung!"

Aktungbby · 08-18-22, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OG Hase

"Das Boot" has made him literally immortal. He also made other great movies of course. "Troy" was awesome imo. But the series(!) "Das Boot" is a milestone in German Moviemaking next to "Der Untergang". Some years ago I had contacted him and asked him to make the ultimate new movie about the "Bismarck". Now he has gone it would only be Cameron left to do that. Anyway - R.I.P. Wolfgang and "vielen Dank für alles"! "AchtungBBY!"

1960's Sink the Bismark is still pretty tough to top! Particularly with actors Carl Möhner as Captain Lindemann, and Karel Štěpánek as Admiral Lutiens! Based on C.S. Forrester's Last NineDays of the Bismark it was well received and a surprise hit in North America.I actually like the black and white format...and the focus on "backroom planners" as well as the combatants.

Randomizer · 08-18-22, 01:25 PM

It should always be recalled that the film Sink the Bismarck is not based upon the history of Exercise Rhine but rather CS Forester's historical fiction of the same name, after it was reprinted following the box office success of the movie.

The special effects still hold up quite well, arguably the modelling and action scenes are as good or better than the CGI garbage delivered today but other than that, from a historical perspective the film gets practically all of the history wrong. This is because it was written as propaganda, which was Forester's stock in trade.

Bismarck never managed to shoot down any Swordfish, as I recall in the film she gets three. She never sank a destroyer during her last night, fending off the 4th Destroyer Flotilla. But even worse is the awful portrayal of Lutjens as a Nazi fanatic and the deifying of Lindemann as a obsequious incompetent.

Before Lutjens was made Fleet Commander he was the head of the Naval Personnel Department and while there, he was responsible for altering the files of a number of Jewish naval officers, ensuring that under the Nuremberg Laws, they ceased to be Jewish and became legally Aryans. One cannot imagine the fanatic played by Karel Štěpánek doing this in full violation of Hitler's will and without Hitler's knowledge. Lindemann, far from being an ineffectual poltroon had several public disagreements with his admiral, even going to the flag bridge to do so.

Forester hated Germans with a passion. He was of an age too young to fight WW1 and too old to fight the Nazis but his contempt for all things German are apparent starting with his 1941 novel The Ship, an entertaining propaganda piece based on the cruiser HMS Penelope. When he resumed writing the Hornblower series in 1945, few German's actually appear in Hornblower canon but starting with The Commodore in March, his German characters are inevitably cowardly, venal, incompetent and wicked; exactly the way Lutjens and Lindemann are portrayed in the novel and the movie.

Enjoy Sink the Bismarck as the almost entirely fictional account of a real event, but do not think for one-nanosecond that what you are watching is any reasonable sense, historical.

Just $0.02 CAD, ignore as desired.

-C

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The above is off-topic but there is no guarantee that had the late Wolfgang Petersen actually done Rheinubung, he would not have played fast and loose with the narrative. Most ancient historians positively revile his Troy (which I quite enjoy as a film but is usually spoken of as "The Film that shall not be Named" - rather like SubSimmers and U-571), mostly because of the appalling ending, which bears no resemblance to the most common translations of Homer's Iliad. From what I have been able to determine, the ending that he used, which so many classicists find so offensive is actually based on fragments of a Roman retelling of the story. For what it's worth, I think that he would have made an awesome film of Bismarck's story. RIP Herr Petersen, thanks for the flicks.

Aktungbby · 08-18-22, 02:11 PM

/\ Indeed! Both Forrester and Peterson played fast und luce mit der trooth ie "poetic license" for prophet!...They R alles E-quail now! We shall not speak I'll of the dead!

Hooston · 08-21-22, 01:07 PM

The Bismarck story was remade recently with improved special effects

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My only real complaint is that strangely, given the cutting edge CGI techniques used, all the German characters have round heads.

08-16-22, 06:14 PM	#1
Sangamon Taylor Mate Join Date: May 2020 Location: New York Posts: 52 Downloads: 128 Uploads: 0	Rest In Peace: Wolfgang Petersen I make my living as a sound mixer and with the possible exception of Dr Strangelove, Das Boot is up there as my favorite film of all time with one of the greatest sound mixes ever by Milan Bor (RIP). In the early 90’s I went to Munich and mixed a film directed by Volker Schlondorff in Milan Bor’s mixing stage at Bavariafilm. They still had the submarine on the lot and you could go in it. It was tiny. I have no idea how they shot that film on such a cramped set. It’s been a lasting memory. I thought you all should know of this tremendous loss. Rest In Peace Wolfgang Petersen. https://deadline.com/2022/08/wolfgan...wMIVxEU5g5M2Mg

08-16-22, 06:45 PM	#2
pabbi Subsim Overlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On the top of the world Posts: 208 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	Rest in peace Wolfgang Petersen __________________ On the top of the world

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Mork_417 Lieutenant Commander Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: DB-15 Posts: 849 Downloads: 263 Uploads: 0	Rest in Peace Sir. __________________ Heading to AM49.(U-553)

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Mad Mardigan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 2,327 Downloads: 491 Uploads: 0	Rest In Peace Wolfgang Petersen. __________________

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FUBAR295 Krusty Krab Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Decks awash in the North Atlantic Posts: 1,272 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 0	RIP A great movie maker will be missed. __________________ Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

08-18-22, 08:23 AM	#11
OG Hase Mate Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 53 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 1	"Das Boot" has made him literally immortal. He also made other great movies of course. "Troy" was awesome imo. But the series(!) "Das Boot" is a milestone in German Moviemaking next to "Der Untergang". Some years ago I had contacted him and asked him to make the ultimate new movie about the "Bismarck". Now he has gone it would only be Cameron left to do that. Anyway - R.I.P. Wolfgang and "vielen Dank für alles"! "Achtung!"

08-18-22, 01:25 PM	#13
Randomizer Watch Officer Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 334 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	It should always be recalled that the film Sink the Bismarck is not based upon the history of Exercise Rhine but rather CS Forester's historical fiction of the same name, after it was reprinted following the box office success of the movie. The special effects still hold up quite well, arguably the modelling and action scenes are as good or better than the CGI garbage delivered today but other than that, from a historical perspective the film gets practically all of the history wrong. This is because it was written as propaganda, which was Forester's stock in trade. Bismarck never managed to shoot down any Swordfish, as I recall in the film she gets three. She never sank a destroyer during her last night, fending off the 4th Destroyer Flotilla. But even worse is the awful portrayal of Lutjens as a Nazi fanatic and the deifying of Lindemann as a obsequious incompetent. Before Lutjens was made Fleet Commander he was the head of the Naval Personnel Department and while there, he was responsible for altering the files of a number of Jewish naval officers, ensuring that under the Nuremberg Laws, they ceased to be Jewish and became legally Aryans. One cannot imagine the fanatic played by Karel Štěpánek doing this in full violation of Hitler's will and without Hitler's knowledge. Lindemann, far from being an ineffectual poltroon had several public disagreements with his admiral, even going to the flag bridge to do so. Forester hated Germans with a passion. He was of an age too young to fight WW1 and too old to fight the Nazis but his contempt for all things German are apparent starting with his 1941 novel The Ship, an entertaining propaganda piece based on the cruiser HMS Penelope. When he resumed writing the Hornblower series in 1945, few German's actually appear in Hornblower canon but starting with The Commodore in March, his German characters are inevitably cowardly, venal, incompetent and wicked; exactly the way Lutjens and Lindemann are portrayed in the novel and the movie. Enjoy Sink the Bismarck as the almost entirely fictional account of a real event, but do not think for one-nanosecond that what you are watching is any reasonable sense, historical. Just $0.02 CAD, ignore as desired. -C Edit: The above is off-topic but there is no guarantee that had the late Wolfgang Petersen actually done Rheinubung, he would not have played fast and loose with the narrative. Most ancient historians positively revile his Troy (which I quite enjoy as a film but is usually spoken of as "The Film that shall not be Named" - rather like SubSimmers and U-571), mostly because of the appalling ending, which bears no resemblance to the most common translations of Homer's Iliad. From what I have been able to determine, the ending that he used, which so many classicists find so offensive is actually based on fragments of a Roman retelling of the story. For what it's worth, I think that he would have made an awesome film of Bismarck's story. RIP Herr Petersen, thanks for the flicks. Last edited by Randomizer; 08-18-22 at 01:41 PM.

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Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,837 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	/\ Indeed! Both Forrester and Peterson played fast und luce mit der trooth ie "poetic license" for prophet!...They R alles E-quail now! We shall not speak I'll of the dead! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

08-21-22, 01:07 PM	#15
Hooston Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 138 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	The Bismarck story was remade recently with improved special effects : My only real complaint is that strangely, given the cutting edge CGI techniques used, all the German characters have round heads.