Gun Control thread (merged many)

They do keep you advised on pretty much everything on the political front, so yeah i get a lot of email from them.

Just wondering, does the NRA keeping you informed on the topic explain the recent rash of somewhat dubious links on the subject?

[Glock30Eric]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I guess, Hell i don't even know what I am polticially speaking. I grew up in a republican family, but my views shifted after my stint in active duty. I don't really identify with either party.


Anywho, I found a video that nails this gun control issue perfectly in my opinion. I wish this was what our current president was saying. Hell, it probably deserves it's own thread.



I don't know who this "Mr virtual President" guy is, but id vote for the guy giving that speech in a heartbeat. Hell, i'd be camping out at the voting booth the night before like some black friday shopper.

Sorry to inform you this, I really don't think we are able to steer USA in the right direction at anytime soon. The lesser of two evils is too strong in America which that is why Obama won the second term. It is beyond of turning back. They haven't learned anything from McCain and now with Mit Romney. They are going to repeat the pattern. I gave up. Ron Paul or Rand Paul is the go.

Stock up water filter, food, ammo, guns, and learn how to evade. SHTF is coming.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Glock30Eric

and learn how to evade

Wheeeeeee!

[Ducimus]

Since I don't feel like being the instigator of "yet another gun thread", i'll just post this interesting video I found here instead. Because, I find it interesting what a County Sheriff / career LEO has to show about magazine bans.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Since I don't feel like being the instigator of "yet another gun thread", i'll just post this interesting video I found here instead. Because, I find it interesting what a County Sheriff / career LEO has to show about magazine bans.

Very interesting and professionally done. I don't see how anyone would support either a semi-auto or magazine ban after watching it.

BTW I never heard of a New York reload before. Awesome concept. I suddenly have a much greater respect for the utility of wheel guns.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

BTW I never heard of a New York reload before. Awesome concept. I suddenly have a much greater respect for the utility of wheel guns.

I've never heard it called that before, but it was the only way to go back in the days of single-shot pistols (read The Renaissance) and was quite popular among raiders on both sides of the Civil War, since those revolvers were muzzle-loaders and you had to wait for the chamber to cool and then take thirty seconds or more to reload each cylinder.

Look at some photos of the men of that period. They didn't carry three or four guns just because it looked cool.

Oh, yeah. Excellent video.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Since I don't feel like being the instigator of "yet another gun thread", i'll just post this interesting video I found here instead. Because, I find it interesting what a County Sheriff / career LEO has to show about magazine bans.

That video lost a lot of credibility to me when the instructor fired significantly faster in the demonstrations with smaller clips. Then there is the issue of how they were reloading off a bench (not realistic in real situation and significantly speeding up the reload process).

Though, there were some valid points, their presentation and logic is flawed.

[August]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

That video lost a lot of credibility to me when the instructor fired significantly faster in the demonstrations with smaller clips. Then there is the issue of how they were reloading off a bench (not realistic in real situation and significantly speeding up the reload process).

Though, there were some valid points, their presentation and logic is flawed.

I think you're being overly critical. There is no set pace for firing, there will always be variations in the speed with which one pulls the trigger. As for quick changing magazines they also didn't show them using doubled or tripled up mags either so maybe they weren't as slow as they could have simulated it but it wasn't as fast either. Besides except for the "rush them while they're reloading" test this wasn't a speed contest but a comparison of time differences in reloading different size magazines.

It scales somewhat but the differences aren't that great. Yes a less practiced and/or scared person will take a little longer to reload but that's a lot bigger issue to those defending themselves than it is to someone who is on a killing rampage. They tend to be cool and methodical and they are prepared for a fight.

There are over 30 million standard and high cap mags out there in American hands already that they know of and I believe there are way more that they don't. Either way limiting magazine size will limit the firepower of a victim not the aggressor.

[Wolferz]

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere and applying all the wrong remedies.

Groucho Marx


Legislation to ban high capacity magazines will do little to nothing to curb the next murderous lunatic.

It's just the typical DC dog and pony show that uses fear to push an agenda for disarming the people. Once that is completed the next step won't be far behind.

More stringent background checks at all levels of retail points might curb the insanity. I think the more logical approach would be registration and penalties for irresponsible ownership. Newtown was the result of irresponsible ownership plain and simple. It cost the owner her life too. It doesn't matter what remedy Congress attempts to pass because you can't fix stupid.

[Feuer Frei!]

Here's some more food for discussion:
http://www.examiner.com/article/dian...onal-pleasures

Unnecessary pleasure

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

That video lost a lot of credibility to me when the instructor fired significantly faster in the demonstrations with smaller clips.

Smaller magazines, or "mags" for short. (ill explain why the word is important below). Now as to the instructor firing faster, you have to remember that this guy is a prrofessional shooter. He shoots for time. He reloaded faster because he tried harder then he normally does. The best comparison was the woman who was not a pro shooter.

Then there is the issue of how they were reloading off a bench (not realistic in real situation and significantly speeding up the reload process).

The point in the portion where they were shooting the different magazine sizes wasn't to show how many bullets they could get off in a time period, but how much time it took to fire X number of rounds with magazine changes, all other variables being equal except for the skill of the shooter.

As for access to mags, If one doesn't have all the tacticool gear like a Molle vest and other assorted chest rigs, all you really need is a bag slung over your shoulder like a bandoleer bag. Reach in, and grab one, it doesn't take much time.


Back to clips. Whenever someone says something like, "They should do away with high capacity clips that hold 30 bullets" I laugh my ass off. So awhile ago i made this picture to illustrate a point in terminology, and how the the improper use of it shows ignorance.

(I made it 25, because I ran out of space in the photo editor, and i was too lazy to start over and resize the layers. )


Ban high capacity clips that hold lots of bullets? Sure go ahead, but one might have hard time finding them to begin with since they don't exist.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by August

It scales somewhat but the differences aren't that great. Yes a less practiced and/or scared person will take a little longer to reload but that's a lot bigger issue to those defending themselves than it is to someone who is on a killing rampage. They tend to be cool and methodical and they are prepared for a fight.

Have to tell you, one of the coolest "features" on my M9A1 service pistol, is on a reload, it doesn't take much force while slapping a new magazine in to release the slide and have the next round chamber. Slingshotting or slide release lever not required! LOL I'm not sure if that is an intended feature, but what the hell, it works in my favor. The other "feature" i have, is since the decocker broke, I could actually carry it "cocked and locked" like a 1911 and bypass the double action pull. However i don't because thats not how the gun was designed. I really need to get my pistol serviced.

There are over 30 million standard and high cap mags out there in American hands already that they know of and I believe there are way more that they don't. Either way limiting magazine size will limit the firepower of a victim not the aggressor.

Yup, I have 3 more mags from checkmate industries arriving tomorrow to add to, and top off, our mag cache.

Legislation to ban high capacity magazines will do little to nothing to curb the next murderous lunatic.

It's just the typical DC dog and pony show that uses fear to push an agenda for disarming the people. Once that is completed the next step won't be far behind.

More stringent background checks at all levels of retail points might curb the insanity. I think the more logical approach would be registration and penalties for irresponsible ownership.

Well put, however your sensible suggestion is one that the hardcore fanatics among the NRA members strongly oppose.
Unfortunately it is those hardcore fanatics which make up the leadership and make the most noise on the subject.

[August]

State Supreme Court wants NYS to show good cause that gun law is constitutional

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKTV) - The Buffalo-based attorney who is spear-heading a lawsuit against Governor Andrew Cuomo's recent gun laws said that Wednesday was "monumental," as a State Supreme Court Justice issued an order requiring New York State to show good cause that the law is constitutional.

New York State has until April 29 to respond or else an injunction will be issued.

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/State...193664911.html

I would love to see them overturn such an obviously unconstitutional law.

[August]

More self defense advice from our illustrious Vice President:

“Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semi-automatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ough-the-door/

Indeed.
Though a partial transcript delivered via the Beckian world does not paint it very well