Gun Control thread (merged many)

[geetrue]

They should start off this ban with a simple law ...

one that says you can own and purchase any assualt rifle
you want semi or fully automatic and as many rounds as
you can afford with one stipulation ...

you have to keep it at the local national guard armory and
you can pick it up when everyone else has to pick up their rifle.

Simple

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by geetrue

They should start off this ban with a simple law ...

one that says you can own and purchase any assualt rifle
you want semi or fully automatic and as many rounds as
you can afford with one stipulation ...

you have to keep it at the local national guard armory and
you can pick it up when everyone else has to pick up their rifle.

Simple

I have four words as a response to this idea:

Police state, no thanks.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I have four words as a response to this idea:

Police state, no thanks.

This is now a mute arguement due to the party in question putting the law change on the back burner, but the way it was going down the law would've excempted certian officers of the law including security officers.

Now that's what i would call a police state

[August]

Originally Posted by geetrue

This is now a mute arguement due to the party in question putting the law change on the back burner, but the way it was going down the law would've excempted certian officers of the law including security officers.

Now that's what i would call a police state

The assault weapons ban here in Mass even exempts FORMER members of the police as well. Talk about a police state.

[Ducimus]

Not a mute argument yet, nor a long time to come. I am convinced if the progressives have their way, they will plunge the US into becoming a police state in every sense of the word. Probably a sad thing that I think this way now.
Before they started to push for gun control, i was middle of the road in my own personal views, center, but left leaning, and not politically active, nor even a sense of where I would lay on the political spectrum if i were.

Now look at me. I think i'm somewhere between a libertarian and a constitutionalist. Have joined and donated money to lobby groups, re-registred myself to vote as independent, have written my senators and representatives... twice, attended a rally and have had this issue on my mind every freaking day. When i go to vote, it will be for the republicans, but preferably any libertarian. Simply because the democrats pushed against my constitutional rights. Which makes me angry. Obama is no saint either. Before I was indifferent, but now, with his handling with the NDAA, and the push to infringe upon our civil liberties, im not quite so indifferent.

I wonder how many people have ended up similar to myself. I hope many, because any politicans or party who decides to screw with our civil liberties, needs to be put out of office right quick and in a hurry, and if every one of the bums lost their jobs, it would send a clear message to those rat bastards they shouldn't soon forget.

I am a citizen, I will not be a subject.

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[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

>snippage<

I am a citizen, I will not be a subject.

Would you settle for peon?

Not to get into a political ideology discussion regarding which party has their heads up their wazoo's because basically, they all do.
Whether we like it or not, there is still the firm possibility that Americans have been subjects of the crown even after we declared our independence.

As an aside, the terms mute and moot are not interchangeable. We have more important things that need a little ironing than wasting time debating second amendment rights or weapon bans of any kind. These are mere distractions designed to focus attention away from the wholesale robbery and fiat money scheme that's been going on inside the DC beltway since the early 1900's

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

I'm just trying to have a productive discussion about guns Steve. Isn't that what everyone wanted?

And I was just pointing out that the "assault weapons ban" part has been shelved. That's all. Nothing more.

To me productive is defined as holding the Democrats feet to the fire on this issue until it can be translated into enough votes to remove control of Congress from their traitorous little hands.

And to me productive is trying to find a workable solution, not being so far to one side that there is no room to even discuss the issue reasonably.

Bill Clinton was right to warn them about this. Believers in RKBA have been asleep in recent years but no more.

And you talk about reason over emotion. You seem awfully emotional about this.

[d@rk51d3]

Funny how the US govt feels it can't trust its own citizens with assault rifles, yet was perfectly happy to commit to sending containers of them to Syrian rebel forces..........

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And I was just pointing out that the "assault weapons ban" part has been shelved. That's all. Nothing more.

What ever floats your boat.

And to me productive is trying to find a workable solution, not being so far to one side that there is no room to even discuss the issue reasonably

Depends on what you seek to solve I guess. From what I can see the anti-gun people only want to solve the "problem" of Americans having access to firearms. My solution is to reject that completely. That ok with you?

And you talk about reason over emotion. You seem awfully emotional about this.

So because I prefer that our laws be crafted by reason instead of emotion that means I have no right to strong beliefs on the subject of civil liberties?

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by d@rk51d3

Funny how the US govt feels it can't trust its own citizens with assault rifles, yet was perfectly happy to commit to sending containers of them to Syrian rebel forces..........

That is ironic isn't it

So because I prefer that our laws be crafted by reason instead of emotion that means I have no right to strong beliefs on the subject of civil liberties?

I think it means that if you are calling for reason instead of emotion you shouldn't be getting emotional and should remain reasonable.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

As an aside, the terms mute and moot are not interchangeable.

That's what happens when you drink, and post. Unlink drinking and driving, It's a harmless activity, with the only victim being oneself , running off at the mouth.


Back to the gun control topic, another interesting article or thought:

Our Real Problem Is Cultural Decay, Not Guns

On the subject of cultural decay, hell, can point that out to us in about a minute and a half.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

By the way, what's with illegal gun owners getting guns in the first place? Does a legal gun owner buy the guns, then sell the weapons to the criminals?

According to the ATF stolen guns are near the bottom of the list of sources:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ocon/guns.html

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Back to the gun control topic, another interesting article or thought:

Our Real Problem Is Cultural Decay, Not Guns

Unmarried people having kids is a sign of "cultural deviancy"? Please.

According to this guy, every teacher that panics or overreacts to something gun-related is a willing agent of those who would rip up the Second Amendment.

EDIT - WOO YAY 5000 ETC

According to the ATF stolen guns are near the bottom of the list of sources:

When you can walk into a gun sale and buy a weapon with no backround checks there is no need to steal guns, plus if you are buying in the "legal" market you don't get stung by black market prices.