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Old 09-09-23, 07:38 AM   #166
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The stupidity of it all

EU commission chief asks G20 to join global carbon pricing

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September 9, 20235:43 AM EDTUpdated 3 hours ago


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NEW DELHI, Sept 9 (Reuters) - The European Commission president asked G20 leaders on Saturday to join a proposal to set up global carbon pricing.

Many countries are using a price on carbon to help meet their climate goals in the form of a tax or under an emissions trading (ETS), or cap-and-trade, system.

According to a World Bank report, there are currently 73 carbon pricing instruments in operation, covering around 23% of global greenhouse gas emissions.

"Climate change is man-made. So it means we can address it. For this we need innovation, investments in green technologies, renewable energy capacity and energy efficiency ... At the G20 I invited leaders to join the call for global carbon pricing," Ursula von der Leyen wrote on X social media, formerly known as Twitter.

Leyen has been pushing the international community to introduce global carbon pricing to accelerate the transition to a lower-carbon economy.

She had similarly advocated for this during a summit in Paris in June, where she termed the current percentage of emissions covered by a price "almost nothing".

Speaking at the opening session of the G20 Summit in New Delhi, Leyen said that the EU's 'Emissions Trading System' has helped reduce emission by 35% since 2005, while generating more than 152 billion euros ($162.6 billion) of revenues.

"But more revenues will be needed," she said.

Japan, the world's fifth-biggest carbon dioxide emitter, is among the G20 countries that have recently adopted carbon pricing. The Tokyo Stock Exchange plans to open its carbon credit market and begin trading around October.

Climate talks in the G20 grouping, responsible for 80% of global emissions, are being keenly watched by the world ahead of a crucial global stocktake COP28 meeting in the United Arab Emirates later this year.

So far, however, there does not seem to be a great deal of movement on climate change. The draft of the leaders' declaration circulated among delegates and reviewed by Reuters also does not set down concrete emission reduction targets for fossil fuels.

However, it does reiterate "the importance of a policy mix consisting of fiscal, market and regulatory mechanisms, including, as appropriate, the use of carbon pricing and non-pricing mechanisms and incentives toward carbon neutrality and net zero.

($1 = 0.9347 euros)

Reporting by Sarita Chaganti Singh and Katya Golubkova; writing by Sakshi Dayal and Shivam Patel; Editing by Kim Coghill and Jacqueline Wong


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More taxes so they can continue building stupid shyte like this. Somebody is getting rich.

Another green energy bait and switch as Germany discovers its billions of solar is "disintegrating" faster than promised

Fortunately, it doesn't really matter since "10 gigawatts of solar capacity produces very little power.”

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The solar industry in Germany now reports that a jaw-dropping 15% of German solar capacity is rapidly disintegrating.

On one hand, this represents the decay & destruction of many billions of € of capital.

On the other hand it represents hardly any energy risk, because 10 gigwatts of solar capacity produces very little power, much less during peak demand period, in a dark cold country like Germany.

Fortunately for the grid, the power isn't needed because Germany is just losing its industries instead of growing the clean energy supply. Further, this rotting solar, even when new, didn't produce the sort of electricity supply that supports factories staying in the country.

Germany's nuclear plants were getting more effective with age, with extraordinary uptime and reliability at low cost. Its solar equipment, on the other hand, gets worse with age. From here on, Germany is going to have to sprint just to keep its capacity numbers up, to say nothing of actual solar energy production.

Countries have demonstrably powered themselves at or above 50% nuclear in their power mix for decades, whereas solar and wind dependency is merely in the experimental stage and may actually not work. Only Denmark has broken 50% and its reward is excruciatingly high electricity prices and several times the carbon intensity of France.

We'll see! The stakes are perilously high for countries attempting this grand experimental transition. I'm watching Australia closely, as it has much better fundamentals than Germany for renewables.
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G20 ‘missing in action’ on fossil fuels even as it boosts green energy goals

Leaders declaration avoids critical issue of ending the use of polluting oil and gas


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US president Joe Biden speaks with UAE president Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan at the G20 © AP


G20 leaders were “missing in action” on the most critical aspect of limiting climate change, advocacy groups said, after the major economies failed to set a timeline for the end of fossil fuel use without the emissions captured. The group of 20 countries, which account for about 80 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions, agreed on a goal to triple renewable energy capacity by 2030 globally, taking their cue from the G7 earlier this year.

But the leaders’ declaration failed to include any reference to the phase out of oil and gas, despite the burning of fossil fuels being the biggest contributor to human-induced global warming.

They committed only to a “phasedown” of coal “in line with national circumstances”, and avoided reference to phasing out all polluting fuels.
The action is deemed “indispensable” by the United Nations in the most recent assessment of the efforts of almost 200 countries to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions.

In the UN’s first ever “global stock take”, it found the world was way off track to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement to limit global warming to 2C, or ideally 1.5C, above pre-industrial levels. “To have any chance of meeting the Paris Agreement’s 1.5°C temperature limitation goal, sharp reductions in the production and use of all fossil fuels . . . are essential, and on that issue, the G20 leaders are missing in action,” Alden Meyer, senior associate at E3G, the climate consultancy, said.

Attention will now turn to whether countries can agree a phase out of all fossil fuels at COP28, the UN climate summit due to take place at the end of the year in Dubai, despite growing geopolitical tensions. Saudi Arabia and China led efforts by fossil fuel reliant economies to block an agreement on the end of fossil fuels during meetings of G20 climate and energy ministers in July.

According to people familiar with discussions, Saudi Arabia pushed back against a renewable energy target, instead calling for greater promotion of the use of carbon capture and storage technologies that would allow for the continued production of oil and gas. A proposal from India to phase out fossil fuels at COP27 last year won backing from more than 80 countries. The EU is expected to push for a phase out at this year’s climate summit, alongside other countries.

While there was no agreement on fossil fuels, the G20’s pledge to boost green energy was widely welcomed.
The UAE’s Sultan al-Jaber, president-designate of COP28, said he was “specifically grateful for the commitment” involving the ambitious renewable energy target, which he aims to reach a global agreement on at COP28. Andreas Sieber, 350.org(opens a new window) associate director of policy and campaigns, said the agreement to triple renewable energy was “a historic step, a glimmer of hope in our battle against climate chaos”.

Western officials said securing backing from developing nations for more ambitious climate goals was one trade-off obtained in exchange for removing more critical language of Russia in the section of the joint statement that referred to Moscow’s war against Ukraine. In a reference to carbon capture facilities, which are not proven at scale, the G20 declaration said as well as expanding renewable energy, countries agreed to show “similar ambition with respect to other zero and low-emission technologies, including abatement and removal technologies, in line with national circumstances by 2030”.

They also acknowledged the need to mobilise $4tn a year by 2030 in finance for clean energy technologies in developing countries in order to achieve net zero emissions by 2050. The G20 also backed reform of multilateral development banks such as the World Bank to provide additional lending to deal with climate change.

During the summit, the G20 agreed to include the African Union as a member of the group. Mohamed Adow, founder and director of Powershift Africa, said the inclusion of countries at the “very front line of the climate crisis” would hopefully “provide some impetus to improve the quality and urgency of the G20’s response to climate change”.
Additional reporting by Henry Foy in New Delhi
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I'm starting to think "environmentalists" are sock-puppets for China

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The Detection and Attribution of Northern Hemisphere Land Surface Warming (1850–2018) in Terms of Human and Natural Factors: Challenges of Inadequate Data


https://www.mdpi.com/2225-1154/11/9/179


[Tichys Einblicke] In any case, the publication shows one thing: The uncertainties in determining the temperature increase not caused by CO2 are much larger than it seems in the public perception.

While scientists "do their job," politicians act as if CO2 is the sole cause of climate change. Politicians are pursuing their very own socio-political goals under the narrative of "saving the climate," at whatever cost to society.

At the G20 summit in India on Sept. 9-10, 2023, the U.S. and some European countries tried to get other countries such as China, India, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Brazil to agree to a 60 percent CO2 reduction by 2035. The attempt failed because none of the BRICS countries followed the West.

Taking the emissions of the Western countries (U.S., Europe, Japan, South Korea, Canada and Australia) together, the total comes to 27.1 percent of global emissions.

The remaining countries, which account for 73 percent of global CO2 emissions, are not thinking about reducing their CO2 emissions for the time being for economic reasons.


Above all, the host of the G20 summit, India, stood in the way and had its energy minister, Singh, declare: "If the economy grows by 7%, electricity generation from coal will grow as well." The inconvenient truth, he said, is that renewables are not a realistic alternative to fossil fuels. He further emphasized, "The need for backup for wind and solar through batteries increases costs almost fivefold. In addition, for the first time since 2022, the cost of lithium batteries has increased by 7 percent due to more expensive raw materials.
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In 2022, 106 GW (gigawatts = 1000 megawatts) of coal-fired power plants were approved in China. A coal-fired power plant has an average capacity of 1 GW. In the first half of 2023, additional coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 52 GW were approved in China. That is 2 power plants per week.
Coal-fired power plants with a total capacity of 136 GW are under construction in China. This increase alone is equivalent to 4 times the capacity of all German coal-fired power plants (35 GW), which are supposed to be zero by 2038 at the latest.
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Geologist: How Geologic Factors Generate El Nino And La Nina Events

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There is an enormous amount of data that proves El Ninos and La Ninas significantly alter the Pacific Ocean’s temperature, influence Earth’s atmospheric temperature, reverse equatorial trade winds, and change our climate.

It may come as a surprise that armed with all this information scientists still don’t know what generates El Ninos and La Ninas.

This article will show that massive amounts of heated fluids, cooled fluids, chemicals, and various gases emitted from seafloor geologic features located at a non-moving/fixed location in a far western part of the Pacific Ocean, i.e., the “Source Point”, generate and maintain both El Ninos and La Ninas.


Figure 1. Comparison of the 1997 – 1998 El Nino and La Nina events. Note that each has the same Source Point and temperature distribution patterns. (Image credit NOAA and some labeling by J. Kamis).

Source Point

All El Ninos and La Ninas originate in the exact same deep ocean seafloor area which is located east of Papua New Guinea and west of the Solomon Islands (Figure 2). The Source Point covers 150,000 square miles, which is a mere 0.23 percent of the Pacific Ocean’s 64,092,958 square miles.

The Source Point’s area is one of the most geologically active regions on Earth because it is home to the junction of five extremely active major fault systems, the second largest ocean floor lava plateau on Earth, hundreds of ocean floor volcanoes, and a tremendous number of ocean floor hydrothermal vents.


Figure 2. Ocean floor geology of the El Ninos and La Ninas (Image credit Schmidt Ocean Institute, some labeling by J. Kamis).

Generation Of El Ninos And La Ninas

When an enormous deep-earth molten lava chamber that is far beneath the Source Point becomes active, it super-pressurizes gases within the lava in the chamber, primarily CO2. The pressurized lava then pushes upward through lower-pressure rock layers eventually spilling out onto the ocean floor where it creates and fuels many types of geological features. This process marks the beginning of an El Nino.

The ocean floor’s geological features then begin emitting massive amounts of extremely hot fluids, chemicals, and gases into the lower ocean layer. However, these emissions don’t increase the temperature of the ocean layer beneath the Source Point area. This is because the temperature of the heated fluids, chemicals, and gases also act to melt massive deposits of vertically and horizontally oriented ice-bearing rock layers—layers generated before the emergence of the lava pocket activity. These layers are typically very thick and stretch for miles away from the Source Point.

It takes a significant amount of time until the emitted heat melts a large portion of the icy rock layers.

Once the icy rock layers melt, the emissions of heated fluids, chemicals, and gases begin to greatly increase the temperature and chemical composition of the ocean water. The heated water gets transported eastward by ocean currents that act to form an immense, heated, three-dimensional area that extends from the Source Point to South America. However, the three-dimensional area still has pockets of cooler water. In time the area completely warms to the same temperature. This is now a fully formed El Nino.

When the activity of the deep-earth lava pocket diminishes, the temperature of the fluids, chemicals, and gases it emits from the lava pocket also decreases. At some point, the decreasing temperature reaches a tipping point that is conducive to reestablishing all the icy rock layers to their original extent. The cool water gets transported eastward by ocean currents that act to form an immense, heated, three-dimensional area that extends from the Source Point to South America. However, the three-dimensional area still has pockets of warmer water. In time, the area becomes completely cooled to the same temperature. This is now a fully formed La Nina.

When the lava chamber becomes totally inactive and no longer emits fluids chemicals or gases, the El Nino and La Nina phases end.

Helium Gas Emitted From The El Nino And La Nina Source Point

Figure 3 is a map showing the concentration of helium gas in seawater across a large portion of the Pacific Ocean. The presence of helium gas plumes is a very strong indicator that the gas was emitted from an erupting volcano.

Note that the source point of the helium plume in Figure 3 perfectly matches the Source Point of the El Nino and La Nina. This is very convincing evidence that the generation of all El Ninos and La Ninas is the result of geological activity.


Figure 3. Ocean Surface Helium Gas Plume that emanates from the ocean floor Source Point of El Ninos and La Ninas. (Data and map credit NOAA and Luton 2017).

El Nino Volcanic Eruption Analog

Figure 4 is a photo of volcanic ash being expelled from an erupting land volcano. The fixed source point, “V”-shape pattern of the ash, and its transition from high ash concentration to no ash construction is an analog of an El Nino.


Figure 4. Photo of a volcanic eruption from space taken by NASA’s Endeavour Space Shuttle (image credit NASA’s Space Shuttle Program, some labeling by J. Kamis).

Three-Dimensional Time-Lapse Video Illustrating An El Nino And A La Nina Generation

Figure 5 is a snapshot of a three-dimensional time-lapse video illustrating that El Nino and La Nina begin at the Source.

The downward-pointing Heat Spikes are formed by emissions from the hot lava pocket. As you watch the video it becomes apparent that both the El Nino and La Nina form in bursts.



Eventually, the cumulative effect of the bursts generates a fully formed El Nino or La Nina.


Figure 5. Development of El Nino warm phase and La Nina cool phase (Source: YouTube screencap see here). (Some labeling by J. Kamis).

Side Effects Vs Root Cause

Scientists attempting to decipher what force or forces generate and maintain El Ninos and La Ninas use the vast amount of atmospheric and oceanic data to formulate their conclusions.

Utilizing this data scientists have found correlations of trade winds, ocean currents, climate phenomenon, and climate to the formation of El Ninos and La Ninas. it shows these correlations are side effects of geologically induced El Ninos and La Ninas.

This is not to say that all changes in trade winds, ocean currents, climate phenomena, and climate are related to geological forces. Rather, during El Ninos and La Ninas, changes in the above parameters are caused by geological forces.

High-Resolution Mapping Of Earth’s Ocean Floors
Oceans cover 71% of the earth yet the number of geological features present on its ocean floors is not well known primarily due to the lack of high-resolution elevation mapping.

High-resolution elevation mapping is needed to image the limited height and width of ocean floor geological features. It would seem that these small ocean floor features would have little effect on the temperature, chemical composition, amount of CO2 rising into the atmosphere, and amount of methane gas rising into the atmosphere.

The opposite is true.

Modern research studies have concluded that emissions from thousands of small land geological features have an underestimated effect on climate.

A University of Cambridge study concluded that climate models should be updated to include the climate effect of land volcanic activity. They attribute this underestimation to a lack of including the thousands of small land volcanic features.

You may ask how is all this relevant to the generation of El Ninos and La Ninas. The answer is that higher resolution elevation mapping of the ocean floor in the Source Point area will likely find hundreds of heretofore undiscovered active volcanoes and hydrothermal vents. These additional features geological may add credence to the idea that geological activity generates El Nio’s and La Ninas.

The primary source of data that measures the temperature, pressure, and salinity of the upper and middle ocean layers is the ARGO Buoy System.

As of 2015, the ARGO system forms a worldwide network of 3,881 autonomously operating buoys. Each buoy can vary its depth from the ocean surface to 6,562 feet and vary its geographic position.

When the buoys descend to a depth of 6,562 feet, they record their GPS position, ocean floor temperature, ocean floor pressure, and ocean floor salinity, which is then stored in an onboard computer.

When a buoy rises to the surface it transmits its GPS position, ocean floor temperature data, ocean floor pressure data, and ocean floor salinity data to satellites. This data is utilized to construct low-resolution three-dimensional maps of temperature, pressure, and salinity at 6,562 feet. The maps are low resolution for several reasons.

Earth’s oceans cover 139,700,000 square miles, which means there is only one ARGO buoy every 36,000 square miles.

In other words, the ARGO buoys are widely spaced and therefore don’t provide enough data to resolve how geological features are present in our oceans.

The current estimate of how many geological features are present on ocean floors is 3,000,000. Once the elevation of all of Earth’s ocean floors is mapped in high resolution, this estimate will be substantially higher.

Other Evidence That El Ninos And La Ninas Are Generated By Geological Forces

The rare occurrence of three La Ninas in a row termed a Tripple La Nina, occurred from 2020 to 2023. This event was immediately followed by a still-developing El Nino. The amount of energy needed to cool and then maintain the below-average temperature across a huge portion of the Pacific Ocean for three years is immense. A greater amount of energy is required to quickly increase the temperature of a huge portion of the Pacific Ocean into a warm El Nino phase. This large amount of energy can only be supplied by energy emissions from a deep earth molten lava pocket.

The amount of energy needed to generate an El Nino within an ocean floor geologically active area measuring 20 by 30 miles has here been very roughly estimated. The known energy released from a 20 by 30 miles portion of Yellowstone’s Pitchstone volcanic Plateau is roughly the same amount needed to form an El Nino. Interestingly, Yellowstone and the El Nino Source Point are both associated with deep earth molten lava pockets.

El Ninos do not occur in a predictable historical pattern, rather they occur randomly. This is indicative of a geological origin such as volcanic eruptions which are not predictable.
El Nino-like events do not occur elsewhere in the Pacific or other oceans. Why? If they are atmospheric in origin, there should at least be one other El Nino location.

Historical records indicate that the first human-recorded El Nino occurred in 1525 observed by Spanish explorers. Other studies suggest strong ancient El Ninos ended Peruvian civilizations. The main point here is that strong El Ninos are natural, and not increasing in relationship to global warming.

El Ninos often occur in “bundles”. Typically, the first El Nino in a bundle is of lower intensity, subsequent El Ninos are progressively more intense, often ending with a high-intensity El Nino. This El Nino bundle pattern is remarkably like the progression of well-monitored and well-understood land-based volcanic and tectonic events, which typically build through time to a final large volcanic eruption or tectonic event.

The ocean surface shape of all El Nino Sea Surface temperature anomalies is identical. If El Ninos were the result of global atmospheric warming, there should be some variance in shape.
Ocean warming acts strongly affects ocean coral reef systems, often referred to as “coral bleaching”. I believe that the alteration of coral reefs is a natural and necessary effect caused by geologically induced El Ninos. Effects that fit into the Natural Selection Theory developed by geologist Charles Darwin while visiting the geologically active Galapagos Island Rift System region. Take for example the U.S. Forest Service’s “Forest Fire Suppression Policy” that reigned supreme from 1900 until 1995. During this time, forest fires were considered extremely dangerous and harmful to both the public and forests. Foresters claimed that these monstrous walls of destruction that raged through our beautiful forests killing humans, animals, and plants, and destroying homes were unnatural and needed to be suppressed. Today’s forest management policies are quite different. The new policies are built on the premise that forest fires are necessary agents of natural selection.

El Nino-warming and chemical changes of Pacific Ocean seawater have a strong influence on Pacific Ocean phytoplankton distribution by enriching the ocean with iron, phosphorus, etc. Geological emissions from active ocean floor features are known to emit these minerals.
All El Nino/La Nina computer prediction models loaded with atmospheric and shallow oceanic data consistently fail, likely because they are modeling the “side effects” of geologically warmed/cooled oceans and not the “cause” of the El Nino/La Nina event. All of these models, including the current model, do not have the ability to project the timing of occurrence, magnitude, frequency, generation by heat pulses, and “bundling” patterns more than a few months in advance.

El Nino/La Nina events are associated with geological seismicity or volcanism in the point source area (Guillas 5-28-2010).

It is evident the generation of an El Nino is immediately followed by the generation of a La Nina proving that one cycle and not separate events.
Summary

Significant amounts of data and information gathered from varying scientific disciplines prove that the generation of El Ninos and La Ninas is the result of fluids, chemicals, and gases emitted from ocean-floor geological features. Features that are located in a small geographical area in the far western portion of the Pacific Ocean.

Biography

James Edward Kamis is a retired Geologist with forty-two years of experience. He has a Bachelor of Science degree in Geology from Northern Illinois University and a Master of Science degree in Geology from Idaho State University. More than forty-six years of research have convinced him that geological forces significantly influence, or in some cases, completely control climate, and climate-related events as per his Plate Climatology Theory and latest book.

Note From Author

Special thanks to Thomas Richard of Climate Change Dispatch who has posted all of my articles concerning Plate Climatology Theory for ten years and counting. And thanks to John O’Sullivan at the Principia Scientific website who has also posted many of my articles concerning Plate Climatology Theory.

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Maybe some of you are expert on flight engines. Wouldn't heavy metal like aluminium destroy most of the parts in the engines ?

'cause this is what's being said among those who believe in this chemtrails, that they have added aluminium to the chemical.

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This is what the government want you to believe that those trails are just water but only naive and gullible people can trust and believe the official government propaganda, those are nozzles provided to the planes to spray heavy metals and to make people sicker weakening the inmune system and reduce population


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We have all our beliefs. I do NOT believe in these chemtrails for me it is nothing but contrails.

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Claus Schwab, WEF spraying chemtrails in the sky to take over the world needs its own thread filed with things like alien abductions and the Illuminati.
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