GER politics thread

[mapuc]

He may not be an angel

If Russia want us to see them as a developed country when it comes to justice they could have asked the German authorities to arrest him and hand him over to Russia.(they could also, as many other developed countries do-kidnap him)

Thereafter have a trial and a verdict.

That's how I see it

Markus

[Skybird]

Elections in federal states of Saxony and Brandenburg. Huge losses for the Berlin great coalition parties SPD and CDU, biggest gains for the AfD.

Results standardised against voter turnout and non-voters. Non-voters are the biggest groups. Turnouts increased compared to last elections: and saw the AfD more than doubling their counts in one state, fundamentally gaining in the other. They are the second biggest party in both states now, by this development they are the clear winners of both elections.

The new challenge to the established gangs of mobsters is to form coalitions with CDU, SPD and Greens against the AfD. Which means a block-building that will deepen the Gleichschaltung in parliaments and an increasing of the polarization in society and a widening of trenches between gangsters and peasants. Winner in the end will be: the AfD et. al, since these poltical "projects" are water on their mills.

The era of the the old Volksparteien is over.

[skidman]

So in Saxony 2/3 and in Brandenburg 3/4 of the voters chose to vote for the "mobsters" (You would make old Adolf proud). For your moronic projection to come true, you may need to replace the people first.

[Skybird]

Love the parties as much as you want, from me you will not hear a single good word anymore about these bands of liars, morons, cheaters, gangsters, corrupted lobbyists, antisocial parasites, socialist redistributors, psychopathic narcissists, attention-craving show-men and unscrupulous big mouths. To hell with them, no matter the party. Our whole system, both on voters's side and the voted-for side, is rotten and dysfunctinal and illogical. The system does not lead to the best suited and most experienced and most honest and modest and most qualified ending upo in the top ranks of power, but it makes sure that the biggest big ,mihths, the most unc´scurpulozus cheaters and fraudsters, the most immoral imposters and egoists come to power. And thats what we get, with every election. Again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

Don'T vote. Do not legitimise incompetence, unscrupulousness, psychopathy, fraud. Some say "How dare you not to vote?" I say different, I say "How could you dare to vote, clueless and incompetent on things as you are? You owe it to the common good NOT to vote!"

Stupid people vote criminal scum and mentally deranged insanes and know-it-alls. Great combination. No wonder we have problems so big that they devour us. Self-made Karma it is.

Voter turnout is 3/5 and 2/3, btw, not 2/3 and 3/4. Protest vote or not, they are sick of the established mobster gangs. Whether it is clever to vote another mobster gang, I have my doubts.

The choice you seem to imply there is, is no real choice. Its just panem et circensis every 4 or 5 years. The show goes on and on, and politicians want the audience to clap hands and pay for the tickets.

[mapuc]

Whether it's Germany, France, Great Britain, Denmark, Sweden or some other European country,

It have come so far beyond point-of-no-return, that it doesn't matter if parties like AfD, Le Pen or other right wing parties get own majority in their countries.

The voters have throughout the last 3-4 decades voted in such a way that they also have a lot of the guilt.

No voters can say "I'm without guilt, it's all the politicians fault"

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Whether it's Germany, France, Great Britain, Denmark, Sweden or some other European country,

It have come so far beyond point-of-no-return, that it doesn't matter if parties like AfD, Le Pen or other right wing parties get own majority in their countries.

The voters have throughout the last 3-4 decades voted in such a way that they also have a lot of the guilt.

No voters can say "I'm without guilt, it's all the politicians fault"

Markus

Indeed. Thats why I said repeatedly in the past that voting people have no right to complain about government or parties or politicians that are betraying them. By now every adult beign can and should know what kind of party scum he is voting for then he is voting. If you lwegitimise them by your vote, no matter which party you voted, you legitimised the system itself the rules they enforce on you, and you lose any right to criticise and complain - you can and shoukld have known what you were legitimising when you casted your vote.


Only people refusing this act of legitimising the crime, resisting it, have the right left to brandmark it and criticise it. If you participate in the crime, you are an accomplice. If you are an accomplice, you cannot criticise the criminals doing and living of what you do yourself. Thats why they want you to vote - so that you participate in the crime, and so cannot criticise. They want you to become an accomplice.



It makes no sense to vote for cheat and lie and then complaining about having gotten cheats and lies. That is hilarious. And illogical. In fact, you just have gotten what you asked for in the first.



Many "protest voters" seem to have formed an understanding of this. Their failure lies in that they think the alternative party they now vote in protest for would do any different. It will not. In fact these protest voters have not stepped out of the system by even one little step. They still fully support the show.



Too much tribal thinking in all this opinion camp building. Result: ideological hooliganism. In extremis in America now (the Dem tribe versus the Rep tribe), in Britain (the Brexit tribe versus the non-Brexit tribe), and between politcal correctness tribes and counter-revolutioinary tribes in the rest of the EU and Western societies.



Frogs squawk and jump. If you buy a frog as a pet, do not be surprised that what you get is an animal that squawks and jumps. You got what you asked for. Scorpions sting, fishes swim, and birds fly. Big surprise.



"In governments, the scum raises to the top." - Hayek. Its remarkable that such a well-versed, well-educated, super-polite, always kind and gentle gentleman like Hayek who was known for being always friendly and calm, allowed himself to write down this in such open, frank words. "In government, the scum raises to the top."

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Love the parties as much as you want, from me you will not hear a single good word anymore about these bands of liars, morons, cheaters, gangsters, corrupted lobbyists, antisocial parasites, socialist redistributors, psychopathic narcissists, attention-craving show-men and unscrupulous big mouths. To hell with them, no matter the party. Our whole system, both on voters's side and the voted-for side, is rotten and dysfunctinal and illogical. The system does not lead to the best suited and most experienced and most honest and modest and most qualified ending upo in the top ranks of power, but it makes sure that the biggest big ,mihths, the most unc´scurpulozus cheaters and fraudsters, the most immoral imposters and egoists come to power. And thats what we get, with every election. Again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

Sounds like our crappy lot here in the UK.

[mapuc]

This is the reason to why I don't blame the politicians but the voters.

Markus

[STEED]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This is the reason to why I don't blame the politicians but the voters.

Markus

You deserve these morons because you voted for them you moron, so who is the bigger moron? You the voter, so us non voters got it right.

It feels great not to vote.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by STEED

You deserve these morons because you voted for them you moron, so who is the bigger moron? You the voter, so us non voters got it right.

It feels great not to vote.

For your information I haven't been voting since the beginning of 2000 more exactly in 2002.

Up to that year I did my duty, until my guts strangled the air to my brain making me thinking clear.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Up to that year I did my duty,

Duty...?


For the record, if anyone asks, I am 52 - and I have never voted from early on. Back then due to a mere, but principle, feeling of it being wrong, today due to argument and reason from in formation and edcuation - and due to empirical evidence on how much the system has failed. Back then I felt it was wrong. Today I know that it is wrong. However, in my last school year and some months afterwards, half a year all in all I seem to recall, I was member of the CDU youth organisation of the CDU. I turned away in big disgust, and still feel like I need to excuse for my erring.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Duty...?

In Denmark and Sweden you learn from you are newborn that in a democratic society you have, as a voter an obligation to do your duty and vote.

As I use to say to my friends
"This obligation goes both ways and if our politicians don't feel the need to fulfill this obligation to what they keep promising, then I don't see why I should. "

Markus

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by mapuc

He may not be an angel

If Russia want us to see them as a developed country when it comes to justice they could have asked the German authorities to arrest him and hand him over to Russia.(they could also, as many other developed countries do-kidnap him)

Thereafter have a trial and a verdict.

That's how I see it

Markus

I broadly agree, but there are few nuances:
- the assasination could have been carried out by a non state group (or in fact non Russian group).
- Germany (and a number of other western states) tends to reject transfer of terrorists over convenient allegations by said terrorists that their rights would be abused in Russia (ie that they would be tortured).
- Civilised countries such as the USA kidnap people all the time

[STEED]

Originally Posted by mapuc

For your information I haven't been voting since the beginning of 2000 more exactly in 2002.

Up to that year I did my duty, until my guts strangled the air to my brain making me thinking clear.

Markus

Just a general remark on the voters as a whole and as you pointed out you no longer vote clearly you have seen though their guff.

[ikalugin]

Refusing to vote does not cover you from consequences of other people voting.