LuftWolf and Amizaur's Weapons and Sensors Realism Mod - Page 13

TLAM Strike · 09-06-05, 02:24 PM

One thing I would like to see is a reworking of the Anti-Ship Missile sensors. Only three missiles in the DB have IR (SS-N-9, Penguin and Hellfire), now some other subsonic missiles probaly do have IR lke the SS-N-2C. I think this is worth doing some research to make FFG play more realistic because currently I don't see much reason to have Flares in the decoy launchers.

Amizaur · 09-06-05, 03:26 PM

Can be done :-)
I wonder what would be effect of giving both (radar and IR) sensors to a missile like SS-N-19, would that work or not

And what needs changing for sure is the cone of missile radar seeker, it's currently so wide that missiles make almost 90deg turn sometimes...

TLAM Strike · 09-06-05, 03:35 PM

Supersonic missiles like the SS-N-19 shouldn't have IR seekers since the high speed causes heat that disables them.
http://yarchive.net/mil/russian_missiles.html

The SS-N-9 Siren has both a Radar and IR seeker in game, so get a few of those shot at you and youâ€™ll see that they work.

Pigfish · 09-06-05, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

One thing I would like to see is a reworking of the Anti-Ship Missile sensors. Only three missiles in the DB have IR (SS-N-9, Penguin and Hellfire), now some other subsonic missiles probaly do have IR lke the SS-N-2C. I think this is worth doing some research to make FFG play more realistic because currently I don't see much reason to have Flares in the decoy launchers.

Noticed this awhile back also. Definetly chaff are the way to go with the OHP if you know who your enemy is in mission brief.

LuftWolf · 09-08-05, 02:44 AM

I have fantastic news!

After much effort on his part, Amizaur has sent me a combined complete reworking of both the Sound vs. Speed fix and the submarine passive sound levels!!!

New SSN's will have a different speed curve from old SSN's. Submarines that are realistically quiet when still but very noisy when moving, such as older SSK's, will be modelled as such at realistic sound levels. SSBN's will be relatively quiet at max speed, and the quietest SSK's will be wery wery quiet...

There is still some work I have do in integrating it into the working database, but we have something very good coming for you here!

Cheers,
David

Bill Nichols · 09-08-05, 06:03 AM

Can't wait to see it! You guys are doing great work

Bellman · 09-08-05, 06:08 AM

LuftWolf and Amizaur are keeping the flame burning.

Well done guys.

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LuftWolf · 09-08-05, 02:27 PM

Ok, we are looking at a release of v2.0 most likely by Saturday.

Thank you for your continued enthusiasm and feedback!

Cheers,
David

Adm. Ahab · 09-08-05, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf

Ok, we are looking at a release of v2.0 most likely by Saturday.

Thank you for your continued enthusiasm and feedback!

Cheers,
David

Outstanding!

A big thank ye' to you guys for your work.

porphy · 09-08-05, 04:12 PM

Impressive work going on

Looking forward to try it out. Autum is here and it is time for sub sims and coffee... This will make it much more interesting. Thx.

Cheers Porphy

stormrider_sp · 09-08-05, 04:30 PM

Great News!

Neutrino 123 · 09-09-05, 12:27 AM

Could you post the new base noise levels for the different units, and maybe a print-out chart of sound vs. speed for the playable platforms? I always use the sound-speed chart when plotting my velocity (along with the sensor washout numbers). If this takes too long, just tell me where I can find them when version 2 is released.

P.S. You mod is getting better and better. Perhaps its changes could be incorporated into DWX when that comes out?

LuftWolf · 09-09-05, 07:56 AM

Neutrino, that is a very good idea. I'm going to focus on getting the distribution out with a good readme, and then I will probably do a sound vs speed chart for the version a day or two after, when I have a little extra time.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Edit: Or perhaps I could include it with the distribution itself, that would probably be the most helpful, so I think that is what I am going to try to do.

Amizaur · 09-09-05, 11:46 AM

In fact I have ready Excel spreadsheets with all the noise level data and a tool to make graphs of speed/sound profiles, so it won't make any problem :-). But currently I'm working on the mod sonars and doctrines so expect graphs little later, maybe after mod relase.

Edit: or maybe I'll sit and make them when the mod will be ready, so it may be included in package :-) but only after mod is finished.

Bellman · 09-10-05, 01:10 AM

Amizaur and Luftwolf - I'm speechless..............................

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09-06-05, 02:24 PM	#181
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	One thing I would like to see is a reworking of the Anti-Ship Missile sensors. Only three missiles in the DB have IR (SS-N-9, Penguin and Hellfire), now some other subsonic missiles probaly do have IR lke the SS-N-2C. I think this is worth doing some research to make FFG play more realistic because currently I don't see much reason to have Flares in the decoy launchers. __________________

09-06-05, 03:35 PM	#183
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Supersonic missiles like the SS-N-19 shouldn't have IR seekers since the high speed causes heat that disables them. http://yarchive.net/mil/russian_missiles.html The SS-N-9 Siren has both a Radar and IR seeker in game, so get a few of those shot at you and youâ€™ll see that they work. __________________

09-08-05, 02:44 AM	#185
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I have fantastic news! After much effort on his part, Amizaur has sent me a combined complete reworking of both the Sound vs. Speed fix and the submarine passive sound levels!!! New SSN's will have a different speed curve from old SSN's. Submarines that are realistically quiet when still but very noisy when moving, such as older SSK's, will be modelled as such at realistic sound levels. SSBN's will be relatively quiet at max speed, and the quietest SSK's will be wery wery quiet... There is still some work I have do in integrating it into the working database, but we have something very good coming for you here! Cheers, David __________________ LW

09-08-05, 06:03 AM	#186
Bill Nichols Master of Defense Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,502 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	Can't wait to see it! You guys are doing great work __________________ My Dangerous Waters website:

09-08-05, 06:08 AM	#187
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	LuftWolf and Amizaur are keeping the flame burning. Well done guys. :\|\ __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

09-06-05, 03:26 PM	#182
Amizaur Sonar Guy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poland Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can be done :-) I wonder what would be effect of giving both (radar and IR) sensors to a missile like SS-N-19, would that work or not And what needs changing for sure is the cone of missile radar seeker, it's currently so wide that missiles make almost 90deg turn sometimes...

09-08-05, 02:27 PM	#188
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Ok, we are looking at a release of v2.0 most likely by Saturday. Thank you for your continued enthusiasm and feedback! Cheers, David __________________ LW

09-08-05, 04:12 PM	#190
porphy Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 603 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Impressive work going on Looking forward to try it out. Autum is here and it is time for sub sims and coffee... This will make it much more interesting. Thx. Cheers Porphy __________________ "The only remedy for madness is the innocence of facts." O. Mirbeu "A paranoid is simply someone in possession of all the facts." W. B.

09-08-05, 04:30 PM	#191
stormrider_sp Planesman Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 186 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Great News!

09-09-05, 12:27 AM	#192
Neutrino 123 A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UCLA, Los Angeles Posts: 73 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Could you post the new base noise levels for the different units, and maybe a print-out chart of sound vs. speed for the playable platforms? I always use the sound-speed chart when plotting my velocity (along with the sensor washout numbers). If this takes too long, just tell me where I can find them when version 2 is released. P.S. You mod is getting better and better. Perhaps its changes could be incorporated into DWX when that comes out? __________________ Neutrino 123

09-09-05, 07:56 AM	#193
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Neutrino, that is a very good idea. I'm going to focus on getting the distribution out with a good readme, and then I will probably do a sound vs speed chart for the version a day or two after, when I have a little extra time. Thanks for the suggestion! Edit: Or perhaps I could include it with the distribution itself, that would probably be the most helpful, so I think that is what I am going to try to do. __________________ LW

09-09-05, 11:46 AM	#194
Amizaur Sonar Guy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poland Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In fact I have ready Excel spreadsheets with all the noise level data and a tool to make graphs of speed/sound profiles, so it won't make any problem :-). But currently I'm working on the mod sonars and doctrines so expect graphs little later, maybe after mod relase. Edit: or maybe I'll sit and make them when the mod will be ready, so it may be included in package :-) but only after mod is finished.

09-10-05, 01:10 AM	#195
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Amizaur and Luftwolf - I'm speechless.............................. :\|\ __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity