Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Dargo

According to Russian propaganda “interviews”, 53 Ukrainian POWs were killed by Zelenskyy’s order. This Russian propagandist campaign is aimed to discredit the Ukrainian authorities in the eyes of Western partners and to suspend deliveries of heavy weapons.

That story looks a bit screwy to me. A prison in Donetsk exploded, 50+ UKR POWs were killed. Russia is claiming it was a strike by a HIMARS shells. Ukraine is counter-claiming Russia blew up the prison on purpose to blame Ukraine.

Either story could be true, but it seems to me the most likely explanation is that the Ukrainians screwed up and hit the wrong target.

[Skybird]

Radio excerpts were published, two Russian soldiers near the site exchanging their opinions and saying that both of them never heard any incoming missile.

Mass murder is more in line with Russian practices, than Ukrainian ones. Putin has ordered the terror attacking of schools and cities near the Chechnyan border to fabricate a case for waging war against "Chechnyan terrorists". To deliberately kill POWs to make claims for propaganda or to send a message of terror to intimidate his enemies, would be typical for him.



The US on the other hand has repeatedly said that the Ukrainian gunners have become lethally accurate with target identification and putting down precision fire on them.

Chances overwhelmingly are that it were the Russians, and I say: likely intentionally, not accidentlly. Could have been the Wagner group that now is responsible for areas at the frontline, too, and is known for torturing prisoners and murdering them. Just today I read that they castrated a Ukrainian prisoner while he was fully conscious.

The benefit of doubt does not apply to Russians anymore. Not after the past months, and their horrifying record in Syria, and Chechnya, and their intentional surprise bombing of civilian blocks in Georgia at night woith residents asleep.

[Jimbuna]

British MP called for entire Russian embassy to be sent to Moscow after tweet about killing of "Azovs"

Labor MP Chris Bryant believes that Britain should expel the entire Russian embassy after a tweet calling for the hanging of captured soldiers of the Azov Regiment.

As reported by Censor.NET with reference to "European Truth", Labor Party MP Chris Bryant stated this.

"It should be illegal. It's a call for war crimes. It's time for the UK to send the entire Russian embassy back to Moscow. Liz Truss, what are you going to do?" - he wrote on Twitter, commenting on the post of the Russian embassy.

[Jimbuna]

Russia intends to completely erase Ukraine from world map - US Ambassador to UN Thomas-Greenfield

US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield said that Russia intends to dismantle Ukraine and "completely erase it from the world map."

Thomas-Greenfield told the UN Security Council that there are increasing signs that the Kremlin is laying the groundwork for an attempted annexation of all eastern Ukrainian regions, as well as the southern Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions "in order to hold sham referendums" or decrees on joining Russia, as Censor.NET reports with reference to Ukrainian Pravda.

She also reported that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov "even stated that this is Russia's military objective."

The comments came after Lavrov told US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken that the "continuous pumping" of US and NATO weapons into Ukraine's armed forces only "prolonged the agony of the regime in Kyiv, prolonging the conflict and increasing casualties."

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

That story looks a bit screwy to me. A prison in Donetsk exploded, 50+ UKR POWs were killed. Russia is claiming it was a strike by a HIMARS shells. Ukraine is counter-claiming Russia blew up the prison on purpose to blame Ukraine.

Either story could be true, but it seems to me the most likely explanation is that the Ukrainians screwed up and hit the wrong target.

Sure dream on, Ukraine hitting a POW camp with a guided missile HIMARS where there no guards are injured is the true story. Still waiting for a single lie-free day on Russian state media.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Not really, there are technical roadblocks. To import LNG, you need specialized LNG terminals and there are not enough in Europe to supply all the EU needs. The EU has known about this vulnerability for years, but every new LNG terminal project gets held up for years by environmentalists. Even if the EU went on a crash program, it would take at least 3-5 years or more likely 5-10 years to build enough LNG terminals. Until then, the EU needs Russian gas and Russia can use this as a bargaining chip.

As far as Russia is concerned, for the past 10 years, it has been busy building pipelines to export its natural gas to China. China will buy all the gas that Russia can produce and will replace Europe as its main customer.

For LNG we use floating LNG terminals we got them already it will be connected to the shore, and we use that for this winter. Europe buying all the LNG there is on the moment, we & other countries will convert it to our used gas and distribute it to the rest of the EU. As for the pipelines to China they are not ready, will take years to complete for gas distribution and with the lack of western parts it will take longer till they ready.

[Jimbuna]

AFU repelled assaults in Avdiivka, Novopavliv, and Sloviansk directions, Russian Federation has partial success in Bakhmut direction, - General Staff

The combat, numerical composition and nature of actions of the enemy group remain without significant changes. The Russian occupiers have not stopped air and missile strikes on military and civilian objects on the territory of Ukraine.

This is stated in the operational information of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as of 6:00 on 07/30/2022 regarding the Russian invasion, Censor.NET reports.

"The situation has not changed in the Volyn, Polissia, and Siversk directions. On the latter, in the border areas, the engineering equipment of the positions and the conducting of aerial reconnaissance by UAVs continue.

In the Kharkiv direction, the enemy shelled the positions of our troops and civilian objects from tanks, barrel and jet artillery in the areas of the settlements of Kharkiv, Svitlychne, Ruski Tyshki, Duvanka, Pischane, Verkhniy Saltiv, Korobochkine, Lebiazhe, Petrivske, Nortsivka, and Zalyman. Conducted an airstrike in the Mospanove area.

In the Slavyansk direction, the enemy launched artillery fire in the areas of Dolyna, Krasnopillia, and Mazanivka. The enemy tried to conduct an assault near Brazhkivka, but was unsuccessful and retreated.

In the Donetsk direction, the enemy is concentrating its efforts on hitting military facilities and infrastructure elements, trying to create conditions for an offensive in the Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and Novopavliv directions in order to improve the tactical position.

Carries out systematic shelling of the positions of our troops along the contact line to constrain actions and prevent the transfer of reserves to other directions. The enemy's aviation group conducts systematic combat operations in order to support the actions of ground groups.

In the Kramatorsk direction, the enemy launched artillery fire in the districts of Kramatorsk, Verkhnyokamiansk, Ivano-Daryivka, and Pereizne. Conducted an airstrike near Ivano-Daryivka.

In the Bakhmut direction, the enemy fired at our troops from all available firepower along the contact line in the areas of Berestove, Bilohorivka, Soledar, Bakhmut, Kodema, Travneve, Zaitseve, and New York settlements. Airstrikes near Yakovlivka and Zaitseve. He led assault operations in the directions Pylypchatyne - Pokrovske and Dolomytne - Travneve, was unsuccessful, withdrew.

He tried to establish control over the settlement of Semihiria by storming from three directions, he was partially successful, and he established himself on the outskirts of the settlement.

In the Avdiivka direction, the enemy fired at the positions of our troops from tanks, barrel artillery, rocket salvo systems along the contact line and in the areas of Novobakhmutivka, Yasnobrodivka, Avdiivka, Nevelske, Pervomaiske, and Krasnohorivka settlements. Made an airstrike near Avdiivka.

In order to improve the tactical position, he led assaults in the directions of Novoselivka Druha - Krasnohorivka, Spartak - Avdiivka, he was unsuccessful, and withdrew. Conducted aerial reconnaissance of the positions of our UAVs troops.

In the direction of Novopavlivsk, shelling near Novosilka, Mariinka, Mykilsky, Vuhledar, Prechystivka, Velyka Novosilka, and an airstrike near Mariinka were noted. The enemy carried out assaults in the direction of Iehorivka - Pavlivka, was unsuccessful and retreated.

In the Zaporizhzhia direction, the enemy did not conduct active hostilities, but shelled the positions of our troops with the use of barrel artillery, MLRS and tank weapons in the areas of Zaliznychne, Novomykhailivka, Bilohiria, Novoandriivka settlements. Conducted aerial reconnaissance of the position of our UAVs troops.

In the Southern Bug direction, the enemy conducted aerial reconnaissance, shelled the positions of our troops with barrel and jet artillery in the areas of the settlements of Trudoliubivka, Potemkyne, Kamiane, Karierne, Novohryhorivka, Velyke Artakove, Lozove, Kobzartsy, Shyroke, Kyselivka, Zoria, Posad - Pokrovske, Stepova Dolyna, Tavriiske, Mykolaiv, and Solonchaky.

He tried to create favorable conditions for the offensive in the direction of Bruskinske - Bilohirka. As a result of fire damage inflicted by our units, he refused to perform the task.

In the Black Sea and Azov sea zones, the enemy's naval group focuses its main efforts on blocking civilian shipping in the northwestern part of the Black Sea and damaging military facilities and infrastructure elements deep within the territory of Ukraine.

Two sea-based cruise missile carriers are ready to use high-precision weapons.

We believe in the Armed Forces of Ukraine! We will win together!" the message reads.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

By all indications, Russia's economy is purring along, no doubt the sanctions are having some effect, but Oil and Gas revenues which fund the Russian Govt and the War are higher than before the war. There is no indication the Russian economy will collapse in the short term.

OTOH, western capacity to absorb economic shocks is very low. The Biden White House is freaking out over high gas prices, even though they are still low by world standards. EU countries are already turning on each other to negotiate who can buy and keep Russian Gas.

This is a game of chicken and it is pretty obvious western governments will blink first.

You are wrong our economies are vastly bigger and stronger than that of Russia, what in fact only an economy size has as the economy of Spain. Our economies are and will work together to tackle this, do not see Russia has any economy big enough to help them do not tell me "but China..." they have not and will not help weak Russia China is too dependent on western markets and do not want sanctions.

[Dargo]

The Air Force Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported that on July 30, two field ammunition depots, two company strongholds, up to twenty units of armored combat vehicles, and dozens of soldiers of the Russian Army were destroyed.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

The Air Force Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported that on July 30, two field ammunition depots, two company strongholds, up to twenty units of armored combat vehicles, and dozens of soldiers of the Russian Army were destroyed.

As one who support Ukraine it's good news...then the question popped up..what did Ukraine lose in this and here I'm not talking about the missiles/rockets/or shells.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

That story looks a bit screwy to me. A prison in Donetsk exploded, 50+ UKR POWs were killed. Russia is claiming it was a strike by a HIMARS shells. Ukraine is counter-claiming Russia blew up the prison on purpose to blame Ukraine.

Either story could be true, but it seems to me the most likely explanation is that the Ukrainians screwed up and hit the wrong target.

location: 47.828530, 37.710802 the Olenivka prison near Donetsk has been used to house many of the Ukrainian soldiers who were surrendered at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol several months ago. Compare the pictures looks like a bomb blast, blown from inside outwards... No damage to surrounding buildings and a single hit on a single building. Any artillery expert can see this is not done by Ukraine, only could be done by Russians themselves.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

As one who support Ukraine it's good news...then the question popped up..what did Ukraine lose in this and here I'm not talking about the missiles/rockets/or shells.

Markus

Ukraine loses 25% of arable land which means around 30 million tonnes less, 35-40% less due to Russian invasion an estimated 500,000 tonnes of grain had been stolen by Russian forces the United Nations predicts that there will be a “hurricane of hunger” as a result of the conflict, as 15 African countries affected by widespread poverty import over 50% of their wheat exclusively from Ukraine and Russia. 12,000–28,081+ killed civilians at least 345 children had been killed during the war, with a further 644 wounded.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Ukraine loses 25% of arable land which means around 30 million tonnes less, 35-40% less due to Russian invasion an estimated 500,000 tonnes of grain had been stolen by Russian forces the United Nations predicts that there will be a “hurricane of hunger” as a result of the conflict, as 15 African countries affected by widespread poverty import over 50% of their wheat exclusively from Ukraine and Russia. 12,000–28,081+ killed civilians at least 345 children had been killed during the war, with a further 644 wounded.

I didn't mean in the entire war. I meant in the strike which destroyed the things you mentioned two field ammunition depots, two company strongholds, up to twenty units of armored combat vehicles, and dozens of soldiers of the Russian Army were destroyed.

And there are African countries who's suffering due to this war. This is a different discussion.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I didn't mean in the entire war. I meant in the strike which destroyed the things you mentioned two field ammunition depots, two company strongholds, up to twenty units of armored combat vehicles, and dozens of soldiers of the Russian Army were destroyed.

And there are African countries who's suffering due to this war. This is a different discussion.

Markus

In the strike they lost a couple of missiles artillery shells, but that's worth it and Ukraine do not tell of their losses both sides do not.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

In the strike they lost a couple of missiles artillery shells, but that's worth it and Ukraine do not tell of their losses both sides do not.

Thank you. Yes your right they do not tell us about their own loses on the other side their exaggerate the enemies loses.

You're right losing some missiles and shells in proportion to what damage they have inflicted on the enemy is always positive even if the Russian loses may be lesser than said

Markus