Would the Akula's be capable to carry anti torp torpedoes?

Badger343rd · 07-29-21, 07:54 PM

Would the Akula's be capable to carry anti torp torpedoes ie M15?

steel shark · 07-29-21, 08:01 PM

yes but its the sub version so :

wp_m-15_Paket (Anti-Torpedo-Defence) surface ships

wp_Lasta_ATD (Anti-Torpedo-Defence) submarine version

wp_vist_E (Barrier torpedo defence system)

Hope this helps

Steel Shark

Badger343rd · 07-29-21, 09:21 PM

I was referring to real life. And if so what tubes are they fired from?

steel shark · 07-29-21, 10:03 PM

all those are real weapons but they in very short supply

POSTED ON MONDAY, 17 MAY 2021 13:14

The Kazan Yasen-M-class fourth-generation SSGN of project 885M joined the Russian Navy earlier this month. Gazeta.ru analyzed its characteristics, as well as strong and weak points.
Follow Navy Recognition on Google News at this link

Russian Vyborg Shipyard laid the Purga ice class coastguard ship of project 23550 925 001Kazan Yasen-M-class SSGN Project 885M submarine at Sevmash Shipyard in Severodvinsk, Russia (Picture source: Oleg Kuleshov)

The Kazan is armed with 533mm torpedo launchers. Universal vertical launchers for antiship Onyx, cruise Kalibr, and future hypersonic Tsirkon missiles are the main weapon.

However, the submarine has yet to deliver the arsenal to the launch site, and some Russian experts believe it may face problems with the task.

Lasta antitorpedoes are ready and are better than expected, however all rearmament deadlines of Russian submarines with them have been disrupted. It means the submarines have no proper antitorpedo protection.

A way out is a tough requirement of the customer to deliver nuclear submarines with antitorpedoes. There are no technical problems and the organizational issues need a tough customer demand.

Experts believe Russia has the necessary potential and experience to obtain modern submarines and weapons. All the problems are organizational rather than technical.

One of the main reasons is that the Navy is ready to accept warships with drawbacks. A positive example is offered by the Admiral Gorshkov frigate of project 22350. The customer succeeded to have Poliment-Redut antiaircraft missile complex upgraded to the required level and gave a powerful impulse to the industry for the further improvement of the warship.

The Kazan SSGN does not have a water jet, which is characteristic of all modern nuclear submarines. It means project 885M lags behind modern US, UK, and French nuclear submarines in low-noise speed.

However, experts believe it is not critical, as the slow-speed noise of Russian nuclear submarines is low and close to the natural ocean noise beginning from the third-generation submarines. Prudent and non-standard actions make Russian subs successfully counter foreign U-boats. Russian submarines produce a low noise due to major work of all specialists and organizations.

Several media outlets have numerously claimed that Russian acoustics lags behind the foreign ones. However, experts believe Russian sonars have a high technical level, which industrial capabilities can provide. It is necessary to use only domestic electronic components.

Experts point at another problem of Russian submarine designers. The introduction of new submarine detection technologies, including multi-positional with low-frequency scanning lags behind.

The situation aggravated after tough centralization of electronic means and sonars was introduced in the industry. On the one hand, work is ongoing, but on the other hand, organizational problems drag the time to an unacceptable level. It makes Russian acoustic arms lag behind foreign equipment.

The Kazan lead submarine of project 885M was floated on March 31, 2017 and began running trials on September 25, 2018. The submarine has successfully test fired Kalibr and Onyx missiles.

The Yasen-M class is an improved version of the Yasen nuclear attack submarine using an advanced design that increases its ability to detect enemy vessels at speeds far higher than those of its predecessors. A new power supply and acoustic defense systems have been developed for the boat in order to reduce the noise signature and increase its stealth capability.

Paket-NK is a newly introduced torpedo system in the Russian Navy. According to its manufacturer, JSC "Tactical Missiles Corporation", it is a dual mode acoustic torpedo intended to destroy both submarines and torpedoes in the near field of the ship. The small-size torpedo is used against submarines, whereas the anti-torpedo against attacking torpedoes.

Russian Vessels tend to have 3 approaches to decoys

then standard Dropped Masker Decoys

Internal Stowed Decoys like a (Expendable) MG-74
MG-74 (Torpedo Decoy) these are fired from either UZPU

(Heavyweight Universal outboard launchers)

or were internal like a Moss Mark 70

so an Improved Akula Class has 8 torpedo tubes & six 533 UZPU,s so 14 tubes !!!

Project 955 Borei and Project 955A Borei-A SSBN,s are the same as well

but have Vls In cold waters so 15 tubes !!!!

then yasen class has 10 533 mm & six UZPU,s so a whopping 16 tubes

(plus the vls tube in cold waters so 17 tubes !!!!!)

Steel Shark

Badger343rd · 07-30-21, 08:25 AM

yes I know they are real...but the question posted is whether or not the akula class is going to equip them...and if yes how?...which tubes? what is the caliber? I assume its 533,,,can they be launched from external tubes??...etc. I've already put them on my akula ,but feel its a cheat and will probably remove them once the novelty wears off(but they are sooo much fun game play wise)

steel shark · 07-30-21, 10:12 AM

The Improved akula,s could launch

two Mg - 74 "Impostor" Large Acoustic Decoys from each of the

Six External 533mm tubes

so its got 12 ammo wise

types would be :

mg74 "Impostor" - 533mm

mg74me_M1 - 533mm
mg74me_M2 - 533mm
mg74me_M3 - 533mm

some of these have wires too id have to find my older PDF,s & notes so the above are like the (MOSS) MK70 but were full size

the older :

MG-44 Korund (Self-Propelled Submarine Simulator, Torpedo Decoy)

were 400mm internal tube Decoys if i remember right but im a bit rusty on very early soviet decoys

they use the newer ones now tho so :

wp_mg_104
wp_mg_114
wp_mg_124

the M-15 is a 324 mm rocket-propelled anti-torpedo of the Paket-NK system

(the ones used by the Lasta complex) are very similar

so id expect 2 per tube also if you choose to do it they would have to fit tube liners ofc for 533mm to 324mm & install new fire control gear so its possible ofc

but bearing in mind the latest Borei-A only just possibly has Lasta id just go with moss like ones but 12 not 6 ect

hope this info helps you arm your subs

Steel Shark

Badger343rd · 07-30-21, 10:38 AM

Interesting...2 per external tube for decoys? I never thought that was an option. gotta rethink my loadout now. As is I got 6 external decoys, 6 internal, on my early and late imp....(got rid of the akula 1 for 2 improved..couldn't stand seeing 14 tubes on an 8 tubed boat) The akula 2 I've equipped with anti-torps, with only 6 external decoys.

07-29-21, 07:54 PM	#1
Badger343rd Loader Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 83 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 3	Would the Akula's be capable to carry anti torp torpedoes? Would the Akula's be capable to carry anti torp torpedoes ie M15?

07-29-21, 08:01 PM	#2
steel shark XO Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Uk Posts: 414 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 5	Russian Cats -- Counter-Anti-Torpedo yes but its the sub version so : wp_m-15_Paket (Anti-Torpedo-Defence) surface ships wp_Lasta_ATD (Anti-Torpedo-Defence) submarine version wp_vist_E (Barrier torpedo defence system) Hope this helps Steel Shark __________________ "History is Written by the Victors."

07-29-21, 10:03 PM	#4
steel shark XO Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Uk Posts: 414 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 5	those are real life all those are real weapons but they in very short supply POSTED ON MONDAY, 17 MAY 2021 13:14 The Kazan Yasen-M-class fourth-generation SSGN of project 885M joined the Russian Navy earlier this month. Gazeta.ru analyzed its characteristics, as well as strong and weak points. Follow Navy Recognition on Google News at this link Russian Vyborg Shipyard laid the Purga ice class coastguard ship of project 23550 925 001Kazan Yasen-M-class SSGN Project 885M submarine at Sevmash Shipyard in Severodvinsk, Russia (Picture source: Oleg Kuleshov) The Kazan is armed with 533mm torpedo launchers. Universal vertical launchers for antiship Onyx, cruise Kalibr, and future hypersonic Tsirkon missiles are the main weapon. However, the submarine has yet to deliver the arsenal to the launch site, and some Russian experts believe it may face problems with the task. Lasta antitorpedoes are ready and are better than expected, however all rearmament deadlines of Russian submarines with them have been disrupted. It means the submarines have no proper antitorpedo protection. A way out is a tough requirement of the customer to deliver nuclear submarines with antitorpedoes. There are no technical problems and the organizational issues need a tough customer demand. Experts believe Russia has the necessary potential and experience to obtain modern submarines and weapons. All the problems are organizational rather than technical. One of the main reasons is that the Navy is ready to accept warships with drawbacks. A positive example is offered by the Admiral Gorshkov frigate of project 22350. The customer succeeded to have Poliment-Redut antiaircraft missile complex upgraded to the required level and gave a powerful impulse to the industry for the further improvement of the warship. The Kazan SSGN does not have a water jet, which is characteristic of all modern nuclear submarines. It means project 885M lags behind modern US, UK, and French nuclear submarines in low-noise speed. However, experts believe it is not critical, as the slow-speed noise of Russian nuclear submarines is low and close to the natural ocean noise beginning from the third-generation submarines. Prudent and non-standard actions make Russian subs successfully counter foreign U-boats. Russian submarines produce a low noise due to major work of all specialists and organizations. Several media outlets have numerously claimed that Russian acoustics lags behind the foreign ones. However, experts believe Russian sonars have a high technical level, which industrial capabilities can provide. It is necessary to use only domestic electronic components. Experts point at another problem of Russian submarine designers. The introduction of new submarine detection technologies, including multi-positional with low-frequency scanning lags behind. The situation aggravated after tough centralization of electronic means and sonars was introduced in the industry. On the one hand, work is ongoing, but on the other hand, organizational problems drag the time to an unacceptable level. It makes Russian acoustic arms lag behind foreign equipment. The Kazan lead submarine of project 885M was floated on March 31, 2017 and began running trials on September 25, 2018. The submarine has successfully test fired Kalibr and Onyx missiles. The Yasen-M class is an improved version of the Yasen nuclear attack submarine using an advanced design that increases its ability to detect enemy vessels at speeds far higher than those of its predecessors. A new power supply and acoustic defense systems have been developed for the boat in order to reduce the noise signature and increase its stealth capability. Paket-NK is a newly introduced torpedo system in the Russian Navy. According to its manufacturer, JSC "Tactical Missiles Corporation", it is a dual mode acoustic torpedo intended to destroy both submarines and torpedoes in the near field of the ship. The small-size torpedo is used against submarines, whereas the anti-torpedo against attacking torpedoes. Russian Vessels tend to have 3 approaches to decoys then standard Dropped Masker Decoys Internal Stowed Decoys like a (Expendable) MG-74 MG-74 (Torpedo Decoy) these are fired from either UZPU (Heavyweight Universal outboard launchers) or were internal like a Moss Mark 70 so an Improved Akula Class has 8 torpedo tubes & six 533 UZPU,s so 14 tubes !!! Project 955 Borei and Project 955A Borei-A SSBN,s are the same as well but have Vls In cold waters so 15 tubes !!!! then yasen class has 10 533 mm & six UZPU,s so a whopping 16 tubes (plus the vls tube in cold waters so 17 tubes !!!!!) Steel Shark __________________ "History is Written by the Victors."

07-30-21, 10:12 AM	#6
steel shark XO Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Uk Posts: 414 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 5	Akula Class The Improved akula,s could launch two Mg - 74 "Impostor" Large Acoustic Decoys from each of the Six External 533mm tubes so its got 12 ammo wise types would be : mg74 "Impostor" - 533mm mg74me_M1 - 533mm mg74me_M2 - 533mm mg74me_M3 - 533mm some of these have wires too id have to find my older PDF,s & notes so the above are like the (MOSS) MK70 but were full size the older : MG-44 Korund (Self-Propelled Submarine Simulator, Torpedo Decoy) were 400mm internal tube Decoys if i remember right but im a bit rusty on very early soviet decoys they use the newer ones now tho so : wp_mg_104 wp_mg_114 wp_mg_124 the M-15 is a 324 mm rocket-propelled anti-torpedo of the Paket-NK system (the ones used by the Lasta complex) are very similar so id expect 2 per tube also if you choose to do it they would have to fit tube liners ofc for 533mm to 324mm & install new fire control gear so its possible ofc but bearing in mind the latest Borei-A only just possibly has Lasta id just go with moss like ones but 12 not 6 ect hope this info helps you arm your subs Steel Shark __________________ "History is Written by the Victors." Last edited by steel shark; 08-01-21 at 01:32 PM.

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07-29-21, 09:21 PM	#3
Badger343rd Loader Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 83 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 3	I was referring to real life. And if so what tubes are they fired from?

07-30-21, 08:25 AM	#5
Badger343rd Loader Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 83 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 3	yes I know they are real...but the question posted is whether or not the akula class is going to equip them...and if yes how?...which tubes? what is the caliber? I assume its 533,,,can they be launched from external tubes??...etc. I've already put them on my akula ,but feel its a cheat and will probably remove them once the novelty wears off(but they are sooo much fun game play wise)

07-30-21, 10:38 AM	#7
Badger343rd Loader Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 83 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 3	Interesting...2 per external tube for decoys? I never thought that was an option. gotta rethink my loadout now. As is I got 6 external decoys, 6 internal, on my early and late imp....(got rid of the akula 1 for 2 improved..couldn't stand seeing 14 tubes on an 8 tubed boat) The akula 2 I've equipped with anti-torps, with only 6 external decoys.