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Old 05-07-21, 08:03 AM   #1
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Default [REL/WIP] US Battleflags/Conning Tower Emblems

this mod adds conning tower emblems with killflags and wardroom battleflags (fleetboat interior) which can be easily activated with jsgme.
the first set includes all historic emblems and battleflags for the
Narwhal and S-Class.
to activate look up your boat name/number and copy the corresponding folder into your MODS folder and activate.
same with the killflags.


https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=5868


works with any mods and doesn't affect your sub skin.

*update 7.7.21*
- next set GATO added (20)





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Old 05-07-21, 09:10 AM   #2
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Oh my gosh! You beat me to it! lol - excellent! Bravo! More more more - where's my bic lighter? We need an encore!!!
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Will these be from the old BattleFlags US website?
https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...ines/index.php


https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...marines/Balao/
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Old 05-07-21, 03:51 PM   #4
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are they still available somewhere? i would need to convert them
but this would make it much easier!
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Old 05-07-21, 06:22 PM   #5
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Many thanks! Pig Boats deserves it!

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Old 05-11-21, 02:49 PM   #7
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update 11.5.21
- Porpoise, Salmon Class added
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Old 05-15-21, 07:58 AM   #8
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Fantastic mod! Really improving of the immersion and gameplay!

I suggest that the kill marks should be presented only one side on conning tower.

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Old 05-15-21, 11:59 AM   #9
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I suggest that the kill marks should be presented only one side on conning tower.
ah ok, would be more realistic then.
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Old 05-15-21, 12:05 PM   #10
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Uh... port or starboard? Captain's discretioin? Naval regs?
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Old 05-15-21, 03:21 PM   #11
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SHO Re: Battle flag's & kill count...

Ahoy, all..

Did a bit of digging & came across this bit of info:

The origin of the submarine battle flag in World War II is a matter of some speculation, because before 1942, U.S. submarines did not own or display them. During late 1942 or early 1943, however, it became customary for a broom to be tied to the shears of a submarine returning from a successful patrol, indicating that it had made a "clean sweep" or sunk everything possible. In 1944, pennants were added to the brooms to indicate the number of kills. A Japanese flag denoted each ship sunk, with a solid orange circle on a white background for merchant ships and a rising sun for warships. Occasionally, these flags were also painted on the conning tower. This spontaneous and informal practice soon evolved into the creation of larger, more elaborate pennants, which included the submarine's particular insignia, often borrowed from a crewmember's "Submarine Jacket." This emblem was sewn into the pennant, along with symbols denoting additional kills and distinctive accomplishments, as sort of a "living history" of the sub's career. During 1944, Disney Studios, already involved in designing military insignia for both the United States and its allies (as these two websites show: http://www.atissuejournal.com/2010/0...gos-by-disney/ and http://www.atissuejournal.com/2010/0...gos-by-disney/ ), also designed submarine insignia. In all, the studio designed more than 30 fish insignia, which were assigned to submarines.

From the site I gleaned this info from.. 1 of the pic's, as best as I can tell.. it looks to have the battle flag & subsequent ship's sunk (battle kill's) emblazoned on the port side of the tower.

Of course, that is just 1 pic I found.. ( found here: http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/boats...idge_small.jpg ) & is not entirely indicative of that locality, as being the agreed upon area for them to be displayed with all subs. It could well be, that that area was where that particular sub's Capt. & crew chose to display theirs...

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For those that may want to read up on that, themselves, that info, can be found here:

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us%5Env~ss.html
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Old 05-15-21, 10:19 PM   #12
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The Swordfish's (SS-193) crew pose with the boat's battleflag of 27 sinkings, 1944.(http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08193.htm)


Conning tower shot of the Flying Fish (SS-229), in Pearl Harbor, most likely mid to late July of 1945. Her Ships emblem is resting on the deck leaning against the conning tower.(http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08229.htm)


Kill tags on port board as historical photo shows. TMO mod also placed a plane for kill makrs on port side.

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Old 05-17-21, 10:28 AM   #13
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update 17.5.21
- Sargo, Tambor Class added
- killflags now on port side only
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Old 05-18-21, 11:58 PM   #14
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Cool
Looking forward to next update(too many gato )

Btw, the positons of salmon/sargo kill flag had better to be moved downwards a little, to avoid the navigation lights.


Anthor issue:
FotRSU uses "conning_gato_02" instead of "conning_tambor_02" in "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" file, so flags&kills will not be effective for those tambor subs with medwar conning tower. However, if we edit the "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" to restore the conning_tambor_02, it will cause texture problem.(using your 4k skin mod as well). Maybe the "NSS_TamborTower_O01~04.dds" files have some problem.

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Old 05-19-21, 01:31 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by flaminus
However, if we edit the "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" to restore the conning_tambor_02, it will cause texture problem.(using your 4k skin mod as well). Maybe the "NSS_TamborTower_O01~04.dds" files have some problem.
did you check to edit the texture path too:

ExternalLinkName3D= data/objects/Conning_Gato_02
HullTextureNameOverride=data/Submarine/NSS_Tambor/NSS_Tambor_T01.tga
HullLightmapTextureNameOverride=data/Submarine/NSS_Tambor/NSS_Tambor_O01.tga
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