US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Yes I laughed my ass off too watching people get killed on the Capitol steps. What a riot!

Hey,Space Chickin,the only person killed was a female that was shot thru the neck.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The coup d'etat that almost succeeded.

A tale not from some third world banana republic, but from "here".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...capitol-attack

Really surprised I am not, I always saw the storm on the capitol and the political manouvers of the Grand Orange Party around it (pre and post) as an attempted coup and a plot to steal the election. That still no heads are rolling shows how deeply eroded the fundaments of the political system is.

"Clear and present danger." The enemy is not before the gates, but inside the city, in strength, and controlling strategic keyposts.

They lost this battle. The war goes on, more bitter than before. The US is under siege from within.

Yes it's not about a Grand old Orange Party in America today. It's about Grandmas and Grandpas in power here in the United States, who tell the young they have a future. Just believe in their vision of the future. What they don't tell them is what the reality of that future.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The Süddeutsche Zeitung comments:


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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken travels through Southeast Asia, in a keynote address in Jakarta he warns of an aggressive China. But what does Washington actually have to offer the states?

So Jakarta. It's not a coincidence. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken chose Indonesia to deliver his keynote address on strategy in the Indo-Pacific on Tuesday morning. It is the most populous country in Southeast Asia and one that maintains a noticeable distance from Beijing. That alone makes the state increasingly interesting for Washington.

Blinken wrapped his speech as a great promise to keep the Indo-Pacific region "free and open", but of course he knows that he needs reliable partners in the region for this. In fact, the Philippines have been the region's closest ally for a long time. But the erratic policies of President Rodrigo Duterte, who repeatedly rocked back and forth between Beijing and Washington in recent years, has increasingly irritated Washington. Reliability looks different.

Indonesia, on the other hand, is a country that insists on a very independent foreign policy. And so it would be an exaggeration to say that the country is already a close ally of the United States. The only thing that is certain is that Washington is very eager to find a closer relationship. Which is why Blinken made his first stop here on his trip through Southeast Asia before continuing on to Malaysia and Thailand.

The whole trip will revolve around the core of American interest: Washington is looking for a way to counter the expansive tendencies of the largest Asian power, China. In his speech on Tuesday morning, Blinken was very open about the concerns, as the Americans are observing in the region: "There is so much concern - from Northeast Asia to Southeast Asia, on the Mekong River and in the Pacific Islands - about Beijing's aggressive actions" .

China claims "open sea", by which he means the maritime disputes in Southeast Asia, China distorts the open markets by subsidizing its state-owned companies. He depicts a China that poses a threat to traffic in the South China Sea, an area through which three trillion dollars of goods are transported every year.

"We are determined to ensure free navigation in the South China Sea", promised Blinken, the USA would deepen its alliances in the region and also close "gaps in the infrastructure"; an indication that the USA not only want to and will be present militarily, but that it would also like to become more involved economically in the future in order to maintain its traditional role as a Pacific power of order.

Blinken promised a status quo, "without coercion and intimidation" and on the "basis of rules", in short: "a free and open Indo-Pacific", although the audience in the region might accept such promises with some skepticism. The experience of recent years has already painted a different picture: China has consistently and regardless of its neighbors built artificial islands in the South China Sea, Taiwan is threatened, and it is militarizing maritime zones, regardless of rival territorial claims that smaller neighboring states are making, all of them first the Philippines and Vietnam. They are doing this on the basis of international law of the sea, which Beijing largely ignores.

Even Indonesia, which has no further claims in the South China Sea, was stimulated by China with brisk fishing fleet maneuvers off the Natuna Islands, which could increase Jakarta's interest in good connections to the USA. At the same time, however, the very rude Aukus deal on nuclear-powered submarines for Australia caused displeasure in Jakarta. Indonesia feels run over. The USA must therefore carefully approach its Indonesian partner. Above all, however, they must also offer something economically, which, by the way, applies to all of China's neighboring countries. They want to know: What are the benefits of the US alliance? And they all want better access to the US market.

Despite Jakarta's political distance from Beijing, the country's elites are well aware of how much they depend on Chinese investments to advance their country. This was also shown by the pandemic in which Jakarta was almost exclusively dependent on Chinese vaccine deliveries. Since September, the Americans have given away almost eight million doses of Biontech / Pfizer vaccine to Indonesia and, as Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi put it, are otherwise showing a "strong commitment". However, she also attached importance to the statement that there had to be "concrete cooperation" that would benefit both sides.

The Biden government should know very well how much the Americans have to catch up. Asia expert Michael Jonathan Green recently gave a sobering answer when he remarked that Washington’s economic policy in these countries has so far been akin to a "Thanksgiving dinner without a turkey". A bit of cranberry sauce and filling, but nothing more. In other words, the US did not provide enough economic incentives to deepen ties. Quite different from the Chinese, who - to stay in the image of Green - distributed a lot of meat to keep the neighbors weighed or to appease them.

Washington must first repair the trust and connections that Donald Trump has shattered as President. At that time, he defiantly withdrew from the trans-Pacific economic pact TPP, which Obama had ambitiously initiated. The USA could not have provided Beijing with a nicer step forward; China used the vacuum to expand its own economic networks. The fact that Biden is now changing course again may be strategically overdue, but it is unlikely that he will be able to warm the US back to the TPP pact. The domestic political resistance in the USA to the trade pact is great.

America's strategists are trying to forge special economic partnerships with individual states in the region, just as they are currently negotiating with Malaysia in the semiconductor industry.
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https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...hina-1.5487381


Whatever they maybe will acchieve, from 2024 on I fear it all will be shattered again. Lets face it: alliances with America are no longer that attractive as they once have appeared to be. And the question of whether they can be trusted if being tested fpr real by conflict and threat, is highly questionable when it comes to the real big conflicts there are. I cannot see the US willing to embark on really big serious wars against Russia or China, and even a enduring milirary operaiton to destroy nculears weapons on Iran I already have very strong doubts on: might be possible, but I do not see it. Not under Biden, not under the Donald.


A bit of cranberry sauce and filling, but no turkey - yes, that describes the US diplomacy well.

Your right. Yes American politicians have decided for our whole country.That they the ruling families must now convert and show the whole world that they can now do Socialism and Communism better than those who have been doing it for over a 100 yrs. Your country will by your own leaders be destroyed. And that is what pisses you off. As our country will be. Ya see Skybird what really makes people pissed off. You work all of your life 40 to 60 years going thru each party telling you vote for me we will make your future better. You know what here in America the only people that can achieve that Dream are those who can set their foot on our soil.And that is the F@#$%N Truth.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Yes I laughed my ass off too watching people get killed on the Capitol steps. What a riot!

Really? Just how many people were killed on the Capitol steps? None?

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by August

Really? Just how many people were killed on the Capitol steps? None?

...and if you do count those who died of a few other things, well they were some of those sub-human deplorables so their deaths should be celebrated, no?

[Otto Harkaman]

Reading Nancy Pelosi's new inspirational book "How I Made Millions Playing the Stock Market"

[Skybird]

The Donald sues against being investigated.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...n-his-n1286307

[August]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Reading Nancy Pelosi's new inspirational book "How I Made Millions Playing the Stock Market"

Exactly.

[Rockstar]

[Buddahaid]

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by em2nought

...and if you do count those who died of a few other things, well they were some of those sub-human deplorables so their deaths should be celebrated, no?

What the hell are you trying too say. 1 person was killed by a direct gun shot. The rest we don't know. Why the Democrats will not allow it to be shown on Court TV. We know the sub-human minds of anti-fa were there and it was they who where there at the steps of the capitol waiting to encourage and start the she-bang.Any way some ass let the genie out of the bottle. Now let everyone see how they put the genie back in. YOU Don't HAVE enough MONEY.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I don't know what this is? I can only assume it must be what your eyeball sees when looking outwards. Come to America we can fix it.

[Reece]

Yes it seems to be a mirror reflecting the curtains - Wow!!

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Seems to be a precondition for all governments.. but then who knows the "will of the people" if those do not even know it themselves. Because of being just too lazy and disinterested in this boring democracy, or because most do not have the overall picture. You cannot tighten a screw here without influencing other settings.

Well the government of the United States has unlimited funds. And our Democracy is just looking for a war. And our Democrat politician's are now hearing the cry from the Ukraine they say....We have the skeletons of Obama and Joe his beautiful son Hunter.So America get all your son's and daughters ready to defend Ukraine.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You will never convince me this Guy was a serious threat.
I do better costumes at Halloween then this jerk!

That look's like Antifa in pajamas.Maybe the FBI can run down that ridiculous tattoo. Some kind of upside down Viking Hammer. AH if you believe this guy is a trump supporter i will tell you the Como brothers are innocents