US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Bilge_Rat]

well no, all polls have a bias, some worse than others, best method is just to look at an average of polls, but even then there will still be a margin of error.

[August]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well no, all polls have a bias, some worse than others, best method is just to look at an average of polls, but even then there will still be a margin of error.

Realclearpolitics average of polls has Biden's disapproval rate at 47.9%. Two points higher than his approval at 45.1%

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-7320.html

[mapuc]

It also depends on where a person stands politically whether this person believe a poll or not.

Wonder how much a poll that show Biden with more than 50 % approval would be trusted here in this thread.

Markus

[Arlo]

Hey, believe what you want to believe. I mean, that's what you'll do, anyway. There are still Trump devotees who believe with all their heart that Trump won the last presidential election and that Trump will be reinstated on (what's it up to now? Thanksgiving?) and refuse to believe that 'cyber ninjas' found more votes for Biden than Trump in Arizona. So don't mind me laughing. I'm just hoping Billy Bob Joe Wayne so-n-so doesn't lose his mind when the latest thing he believes in lets him down and he decides to shoot up a hospital, daycare, church, or mall because of it. I want it to stay funny, not turn tragic.

[mapuc]

^ I don't believe a thing when it comes to politics and politicians.

I believe in myself and my cat.

Markus

[Otto Harkaman]

The CJCS will hand over the nuclear authorization codes to the Chinese Communist Party to make sure "Democrtacy" is safe from a Populist takeover.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

The CJCS will hand over the nuclear authorization codes to the Chinese Communist Party to make sure "Democrtacy" is safe from a Populist takeover.

(Rather stupid meme removed)

Sorry, Otto, that general has more gumption and courage, more intelligence and wisdom, more patriotism and devotion to the nation than you could imagine having. But you just stumbled over a meme that you though was 'clever' and decided to share it with this community ... for some reason.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It also depends on where a person stands politically whether this person believe a poll or not.

Wonder how much a poll that show Biden with more than 50 % approval would be trusted here in this thread.

Markus

When there are numerous instances of crowds chanting "F$&@ Joe Biden" at multiple public events, I'd say such a poll doesn't exist.

The fact of the matter is that collusion and cheating by the Democrats to forcibly get Biden votes that he didn't earn legally by voters actually interested in voting for him isn't an inconceivable occurrence. Is there enough of it to have swayed the election? Who knows because no one is willing to actually audit the ballots in most states. Arizona's results were purposely reported out of context to claim Biden won even harder even though the results show duplicate absentee ballots counted and over 50,000 invalid ballots counted.

No one is demanding to make Trump president for a 2nd term, they're just demanding that only valid ballots be counted and that they are counted accurately. They want it to be easy to vote but nearly impossible to cheat - and that isn't too much to ask for. It's just that members of both parties have been cheating for so long they've forgotten that they're cheating and act shocked when called on it.

And it's not about elections - it's about society as a whole. When politicians, CEOs, models, actors, etc. do something we all know is illegal or immoral and get away with it but a truck driver or electrician would get thrown in jail, it's a problem.

It comes down to what we tell our children about doing their best and playing fair as they are growing up, and then they see that some people are cheaters and are rewarded for it. Don't get me wrong - socialism is a cancer, but crony capitalism is also a problem - and it is so entrenched with politics that it needs to be broken. No lobbyists. No donations from corporations. Term limits for every elected office.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Sorry, Otto, that general has more gumption and courage, more intelligence and wisdom, more patriotism and devotion to the nation than you could imagine having. But you just stumbled over a meme that you though was 'clever' and decided to share it with this community ... for some reason.

I believe you believe that. You go girl

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Sorry, Otto, that general has more gumption and courage, more intelligence and wisdom, more patriotism and devotion to the nation than you could imagine having. But you just stumbled over a meme that you though was 'clever' and decided to share it with this community ... for some reason.

Milley is a turd. A corporate yes-man in a uniform instead of a three-piece suit.

I don't care *what* you think of a president - your job is to obey his orders as CinC, not second-guess him and decide which orders to obey. Obey or resign the position.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I believe you believe that. You go girl

His record speaks for itself. You speak for something else.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Milley is a turd. A corporate yes-man in a uniform instead of a three-piece suit.

I don't care *what* you think of a president - your job is to obey his orders as CinC, not second-guess him and decide which orders to obey. Obey or resign the position.

Heh. His primary responsibility is to the Constitution and the nation. It was more than 'thinking (opinion) of the president.'

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Heh. His primary responsibility is to the Constitution and the nation. It was more than 'thinking (opinion) of the president.'

I thought you said you were prior service, you should know better. His responsibility like anyone who SERVES is to do what he’s told by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces who also happens to be a civilian elected official. The CJSC serves at the pleasure of the President. Enemies we defend our Constitution against are declared by civilian elected officials not by our military generals or social media karens. The last thing anyone in the military should think themselves to be is some kind of constitutional lawyer.

In case you were wondering.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/163

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/152#c

[mapuc]

Primary is to defend the Constitution

Isn't the President a part of the Constitution ?

Markus

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I thought you said you were prior service, you should know better. His responsibility is to do what he’s told by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces who also happens to be a civilian elected official. The CJSC serves at the pleasure of the President.

In case you were wondering.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/163

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/152#c

I am prior service. And, apparently, I have a firmer grip on this than you ... or Otto. The UCMJ absolves everyone in the military from following unlawful orders. Even orders from the POTUS. And yes, that includes anticipating the potential of (in this world of potential nuclear Armageddon). Remember, this was a 'president' who tried to float the idea of nuking a hurricane. He wanted to push that button so bad.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/mi...orders-3332819

"The military oath taken at the time of induction into the military is as follows:

"I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"


Notice the oath states, “I will obey the orders of the President of the United States...”, but the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) Article 90 states that military personnel need to obey the "lawful orders of his/her superior. The duty and obligation to obey lawful orders creates no grey area for discussion. But does the military member have a duty to DISOBEY “unlawful orders” including orders of senior officers, Secretary of Defense and even the President of the United States? The UCMJ actually protects the soldier in this situation as he/she has a moral and legal obligation to the Constitution and not to obey unlawful orders and the people who issue them.

These have to be strong examples of a direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ and not the military member’s own opinion.


Military discipline and effectiveness are built on a foundation of obedience to orders. Recruits are taught to obey orders from their superiors immediately and without question, right from day one of boot camp."

tRump had already displayed publicly an incredible disassociation from reality. And now there are reports of instances where he was worse in private. Milly was witness to many of those moments that were out of the public eye. tRump's embarrassed. tRump's pissed. tRump wants you to be, too. Even if Milly did us all a favor (him included).