Is it EVER possible to model snow in our game?

Paul Riley · 03-04-10, 07:47 AM

Good day.

I think I asked this question quite a while ago and I think other folk have also queried this,but is it EVER possible to model snow effects in SH3?.I am thinking it could somehow be modelled around the existing rain model,and work on that?.Ideally I am thinking all that would have to be done is to redraw the rain textures and make them white?.It really would be nice as my new mission at the moment is up near the Arctic routes.I am not bothered about having ice rendered on the deck but falling snow or even sleet would be fantastic.
A thought to some of you very skilled modders out there?

I appreciate it may be harder than I imagine,but from some of the mods i've already seen as far as affecting and even changing the environment entirely it should be no hassle at all?Take GWX3 for example,the sky and clouds have been completely redrawn and so has the sun and moon.

Cheers guys.

Hitman · 03-04-10, 08:33 AM

I know rain's colour, falling speed and density can be tweaked, what I don't know is if it is possible to replace the enlonged model with something that looks like a snow flake.

Paul Riley · 03-04-10, 08:39 AM

Hitman,

Give it a go,i'm sure you could come up with something? as I said,some of you are very talented modders

flakmonkey · 03-04-10, 08:54 AM

Yes but you loose the rain.

Paul Riley · 03-04-10, 08:59 AM

Damn,thats a shame.Could you go into a bit of detail about how this can be done?

Thanks.

Sailor Steve · 03-04-10, 03:35 PM

I don't know how to model the different rain effects, but apparently there is only one file for precipitation. If you model it to look and act like snow, that's what you'll get any time it now rains.

I suppose that you could make different files and then use SH3 Commander's date-based randomizer to force it to change depending on the month.

Jimbuna · 03-04-10, 03:48 PM

As Steve said....you could well find yourself in the Indian ocean or some other hot area and snow would replace the rain.

This was once tried out by a colleague of mine and believe me, the visuals were laughable/totally unrealistic.

Iron Budokan · 03-04-10, 04:44 PM

Someone made a point in the SH5 forum that maybe software elements and coding could be brought from that game into SH3? If so then could you have snow?

Jimbuna · 03-04-10, 04:47 PM

I suppose it depends on the coding contained within SH5 really and whether it is compatable with that of SH3.

irish1958 · 03-04-10, 05:18 PM

With SH3CMDR making the snow seasonal only in Winter is easy. Making Snow and ice on the subs is difficult.
There are a few old mods with ice on subs, but it never looked realistic and it was difficult to get the watch crew weatherized.

Paul Riley · 03-05-10, 06:08 AM

Thanks for the interest in the thread,at least some things are now cleared up.
However I still feel that snow effects and ice should have been included even in the stock version of the game,I mean the stories I have read about the perils on the Arctic routes

...the arcitc routes could have been made much more immersive

Cheers guys.

KL-alfman · 03-05-10, 02:00 PM

Paul, I think you are right.
snow and ice should have been integrated into an immersive game-play as a U-Boot sailing across the arctic routes.
getting only heavy rain (and no ice) in December 1941 at the coast of Iceland is (mayhaps) un-realistic.

Paul Riley · 03-06-10, 04:11 AM

Strange that the devs never included it in the game.
Oh well,im not gonna gripe for too long on this,the game is still fantastic!

03-04-10, 07:47 AM	#1
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,676 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Is it EVER possible to model snow in our game? Good day. I think I asked this question quite a while ago and I think other folk have also queried this,but is it EVER possible to model snow effects in SH3?.I am thinking it could somehow be modelled around the existing rain model,and work on that?.Ideally I am thinking all that would have to be done is to redraw the rain textures and make them white?.It really would be nice as my new mission at the moment is up near the Arctic routes.I am not bothered about having ice rendered on the deck but falling snow or even sleet would be fantastic. A thought to some of you very skilled modders out there? I appreciate it may be harder than I imagine,but from some of the mods i've already seen as far as affecting and even changing the environment entirely it should be no hassle at all?Take GWX3 for example,the sky and clouds have been completely redrawn and so has the sun and moon. Cheers guys. __________________ Played With: GWX3 + Commander 3.2 Realism: 85% Ironman Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-04-10, 08:33 AM	#2
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	I know rain's colour, falling speed and density can be tweaked, what I don't know is if it is possible to replace the enlonged model with something that looks like a snow flake. __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-04-10, 08:39 AM	#3
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,676 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Hitman, Give it a go,i'm sure you could come up with something? as I said,some of you are very talented modders __________________ Played With: GWX3 + Commander 3.2 Realism: 85% Ironman Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-04-10, 08:54 AM	#4
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Yes but you loose the rain. __________________

03-04-10, 08:59 AM	#5
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,676 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Damn,thats a shame.Could you go into a bit of detail about how this can be done? Thanks. __________________ Played With: GWX3 + Commander 3.2 Realism: 85% Ironman Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-04-10, 03:35 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I don't know how to model the different rain effects, but apparently there is only one file for precipitation. If you model it to look and act like snow, that's what you'll get any time it now rains. I suppose that you could make different files and then use SH3 Commander's date-based randomizer to force it to change depending on the month. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-04-10, 03:48 PM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	As Steve said....you could well find yourself in the Indian ocean or some other hot area and snow would replace the rain. This was once tried out by a colleague of mine and believe me, the visuals were laughable/totally unrealistic. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-04-10, 04:44 PM	#8
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Someone made a point in the SH5 forum that maybe software elements and coding could be brought from that game into SH3? If so then could you have snow? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-04-10, 04:47 PM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I suppose it depends on the coding contained within SH5 really and whether it is compatable with that of SH3. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

03-04-10, 05:18 PM	#10
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	With SH3CMDR making the snow seasonal only in Winter is easy. Making Snow and ice on the subs is difficult. There are a few old mods with ice on subs, but it never looked realistic and it was difficult to get the watch crew weatherized. __________________ Irish1958

03-05-10, 06:08 AM	#11
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,676 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the interest in the thread,at least some things are now cleared up. However I still feel that snow effects and ice should have been included even in the stock version of the game,I mean the stories I have read about the perils on the Arctic routes ...the arcitc routes could have been made much more immersive Cheers guys. __________________ Played With: GWX3 + Commander 3.2 Realism: 85% Ironman Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-05-10, 02:00 PM	#12
KL-alfman Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Weimar Posts: 930 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Paul, I think you are right. snow and ice should have been integrated into an immersive game-play as a U-Boot sailing across the arctic routes. getting only heavy rain (and no ice) in December 1941 at the coast of Iceland is (mayhaps) un-realistic. __________________ Life, Liberty and Property!

03-06-10, 04:11 AM	#13
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,676 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 0	Strange that the devs never included it in the game. Oh well,im not gonna gripe for too long on this,the game is still fantastic! __________________ Played With: GWX3 + Commander 3.2 Realism: 85% Ironman Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes