Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Skybird]

And even if Russia succeeds in its what German media call "boa constrictor tactic" in Donbass, and encircles those two cities and gets all of the Donbass - KEEPING it afterwards once the inevitable Ukrainian counterattck starts again will cause big problems for Russia.


But some European nations do not want Ukraine to counterattack, it seems, namely France and Germany.



That Macronman focusse o n establishing a seize fire any any cost and even demanded the Ukraine to accept losses of territory for that, of course is totally counterproductive. That Bubble-Olaf assists him in that and obviously has no interest in seeing the Ukraine winning, does not even dare to take that word "winning" in his mouth and just talks of that the Ukraine should continue to exist, speaks volumes. Very, very underhanded and split-tongued double-talk by the German "chancellor". He has Angst, and thast puts sprinkles in Putin's and Lavrov's eyes. . He stepped willingly into the Russians' propaganda trap to not provoke them and not to escalate things by having Russia suffering a form of defeat that they would label as that. Obviously Bubble-Olag has no clue what the term (Western) "deterrance" means. Plus Bubble-Olaf does not want to mess with the russophile lefts in his own party, and the group of pacifists of the Greens who want to use those 100 billion for the Bundeswehr for climate policies and developmnent aid, labelling that "security-relevant defence policy". And he does not want to think twice about the timetable and fince numbers for the coalition'S own pet, the "energy turnaround". Olaf the weasel, like always and always. Nuff said.



France and Germany do not really help the Ukrainians' cause. At least they help the Russian cause as much.

[mapuc]

^ As we write together weapons and ammo is being send from NATO to Ukraine. But the day Russia has fulfilled their task taking Luhansk and Donbas, will there still be send weapon to Ukraine when this happens ?

Because now the war is, so to say over for the Russian part.

Markus

[Skybird]

The war is not over, but will simmer on. And the economically relevant destruction done to the Ukraine could still break its neck afterwards. Since the west will give much of the money, but has no money, inflation will spook on.
In a way there is no winner in all this. Not Russia. Not the Ukraine. Not Europe.
Well, maybe China, but they seem to have their own problems.

In the long term, however, Russia looks like the biggest looser.

[Jimbuna]

A Russian diplomat to the United Nations quits over the war in Ukraine, calling it "bloody, witless and absolutely needless"

Boris Bondarev says he has never "been so ashamed of my country" following the invasion.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky says the world cannot be ruled by "brute force", in an address at the World Economic Forum.

Zelensky calls for maximum sanctions against Russia, including an oil embargo.

A court in Ukraine jails a Russian tank commander for life for killing a civilian at the first war crimes trial of the war.

Russia is stepping up efforts to capture the eastern city of Severodonetsk, and is said to be using "scorched earth" tactics.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Dargo]

Biden Says U.S. Military Would Defend Taiwan if China Invaded https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/23/w...wan-china.html

China will be mad about this, they gone blame putin

[Dargo]

Twenty countries have announced a new support package of military equipment for Ukraine. Denmark, for example, is supplying a Harpoon missile system including ammunition, announced U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

Such radar-guided missiles can be used against warships. Austin did not come up with further details about which other weapons are being sent. Greece, Norway and Poland are also among the group of countries supplying new assets to Ukraine.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Twenty countries have announced a new support package of military equipment for Ukraine. Denmark, for example, is supplying a Harpoon missile system including ammunition, announced U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.

Such radar-guided missiles can be used against warships. Austin did not come up with further details about which other weapons are being sent. Greece, Norway and Poland are also among the group of countries supplying new assets to Ukraine.

Meanwhile the German government claims all of a sudden that there is a NATO-wide agreement in place to not deliver heavy weapons and armour of Western construction. Critics are up in arms, since this claim makes no sense and I think it is a lie by team Scholz.

Does this NATO agreement mean that they only say they mull the delivery of PZH2000 - but will not deleiver it when time has come? Does it mean the US is in violation of such a NATO agreement since it already has delivered armoured APCs - I think it was a three digit number of them? Why has the German chaos troop at the top of he state not communicated earlier that such an agreement is in place, since it is taking heavy fire from other nations and from huge parts of the German public? Why is no other nation confirming the existence of such an agreement, and many nations being angry at the German laymen show?

And how stupid will said laymen theatre troop look if it should get clarified that they fed a lie to the public over this claimed NATO agreement?

It makes me sick to watch the German misgovernment in action. We must not allow it to complete its term, it simply does way too much damage on the Ukrainbe policy, on other policy fields as well. And the biggest problem sits at the big desk in the chancellor's office.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Meanwhile the German government claims all of a sudden that there is a NATO-wide agreement in place to not deliver heavy weapons and armour of Western construction. Critics are up in arms, since this claim makes no sense and I think it is a lie by team Scholz.

Does this NATO agreement mean that they only say they mull the delivery of PZH2000 - but will not deleiver it when time has come? Does it mean the US is in violation of such a NATO agreement since it already has delivered armoured APCs - I think it was a three digit number of them? Why has the German chaos troop at the top of he state not communicated earlier that such an agreement is in place, since it is taking heavy fire from other nations and from huge parts of the German public? Why is no other nation confirming the existence of such an agreement, and many nations being angry at the German laymen show?

And how stupid will said laymen theatre troop look if it should get clarified that they fed a lie to the public over this claimed NATO agreement?

It makes me sick to watch the German misgovernment in action. We must not allow it to complete its term, it simply does way too much damage on the Ukrainbe policy, on other policy fields as well. And the biggest problem sits at the big desk in the chancellor's office.

Tis a pity Germany can't be suspended from NATO thereby forcing them to defend themselves.

They are doing nothing more than undermining the wests efforts of support for Ukraine.

[Dargo]

Russia's new flagship warship Admiral Makarov is leaving Sevastopol for Odesa on a:"Special Operation" to determine how well it interacts with the ocean floor.

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Tis a pity Germany can't be suspended from NATO thereby forcing them to defend themselves.

They are doing nothing more than undermining the wests efforts of support for Ukraine.

I agree on both.

[Catfish]

"WASHINGTON, May 23 (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said that some 20 countries had announced new security assistance packages for Ukraine during a virtual meeting with allies on Monday that was aimed at coordinating arms for Kyiv.

The countries that announced new packages included Italy, Denmark, Greece, Norway and Poland, Austin told reporters following a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group. Denmark would provide a harpoon launcher and missiles to defend Ukraine's coast.
"Everyone here understands the stakes of this war," Austin said."

To defend Ukraine's coast.. this coast is not very long aymore. And too late for Odessa i fear.
Russia could attack from three sides, Transnistria, from the east and from the south by naval support.

Originally Posted by Dargo

Russia's new flagship warship Admiral Makarov is leaving Sevastopol for Odesa on a:"Special Operation" to determine how well it interacts with the ocean floor.

Will not help Ukraine. If Odessa is being captured Russia has sealed Ukraine's former coast completely from access to the sea.

[Skybird]

Odessa is a tough nut to crack. More tzunnels and subterranean bzunkers than Kyiv, I read. Beche smind. Amphibious battle landing? Only if the Russians have suicide desires. Rivers also help to mount obstacles. The main city east of Odessa also is not captured. The Russians must get that oen first before gpoing after Odessa.

With every day passiong, it becomes more dsifficult for Rusai to keep the momentum in Donbass and Luhansk - and move closer toweards goiung onto the defence and trying to keep what thy conquered. The Ukrainians will counterattack. And in the occupied territories, partisans will appear. Already have.

New modern weapons for Ukrainians coming in. Odessa may get a serious pounding from air and artillery and missiles. Right now I cannot see Russia conquering it.

Those Harpoons get fired from VLS tubes, ships, aircraft, but not from land platforms so far (AFAIK). Anyone knowing what is in the plan for them? With US satellite intel, the Ukrainians could cover the whole Black Sea west of Crimea.

Stupid Russian Kreml fascists. Odessaeans once were extremely pro-Russian, at least as much as Crimea. No more.