2011 SUBSIM Werewolf Game: Intro, Rules, FAQ, & Aftermath - Page 40

Onkel Neal · 07-01-11, 05:27 PM

Here are the identities and alignments:

Germans
The Enigma --- Guardian --- Schuetze
Tinman764 --- Seer --- Gefreiter
August --- Human --- Gefreiter
Oberon --- Human --- Schuetze
the_tyrant --- Human --- Schuetze
Nisgeis --- Human --- SS
HunterIXC --- Human --- Oberst
Rear --- Human --- Hauptmann
AVGWarhawk --- Werewolf --- Schuetze
Ducimus --- Werewolf --- Oberfeldwebel

British
Bakkels --- Human --- Cook
Raptor1 --- Human --- Captain
jimbuna --- Human --- Petty Officer
Task Force --- Human --- Sailor
Pioneer --- Human --- Sailor
Vendor --- Human --- Sailor (SPY)
mookiemookie --- Guardian --- Sub-lieutenant
Takeda Shingen --- Seer --- American News
Lord Justice --- Werewolf --- Petty Officer
Tarrasque --- Werewolf --- Chief

Rear · 07-01-11, 05:28 PM

I can't wait for Neal's game summary

mookiemookie · 07-01-11, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's always a mystery how a Seer gets anyone to trust him, though....

It's a calculated risk. If someone's not a seer, and they PM another player and say "hey I'm a seer and I know you're a ____" they only have a 25% chance of guessing correctly. So you can be 75% sure they are who they say they are if they tell you correctly what class you are.

The benefits of teaming up with a seer outweigh that 25% chance that they're BSing you.

Growler · 07-01-11, 05:35 PM

Fantastic tale well-told and well-played! Stuff like this, where the real creative genius of people (whom I've never met but consider friends and comrades nonetheless) comes out to play - this is what makes Subsim easily one of the best lil' corners of the Internet.

THANK YOU to Neal and ALL of the Players for a truly memorable Internet experience.

You guys really are the tops.

Rear · 07-01-11, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Here are the identities and alignments:

Vendor --- Human --- Sailor (SPY)

Spy?

Onkel Neal · 07-01-11, 05:43 PM

Yeah, and since Vendor was MIA, that never got going.

Here's the activity log.
http://www.subsim.com/werewolf/2011/...wolf_huntE.zip

The Story Elements

On Day 1, I set up the game, PMed each player his secret assignment and the basic for participating in character; they had to obey their superior officers. The POWs could only attempt a revolt if they had a numerical superiority of three over the Germans.

I supplied a map of the area, with several obvious features I hoped the players would investigate. There's the Forbidden forest, with its jagged dark area. The White Sands Beach, the minefield, St. Sophia's nunnery, and the Lighthouse Ruins. Each are would have some game trigger to reward the player.

Day 1: there will be no lynching, time for the players to get to know one another and develop their characters.

Night 1: Four werewolves and only 1 kill? Yeah, it was like the Keystone Kops. Ducimus decided not to attack anyone, and Lord Justice and Tarrasque both targeted AVGWarhawk, who is himself a werewolf. At least he tasted first blood, he took out the unfortunate cook of HMS Terrific, Bakkels.

Night 3: Jimbuna is the escapee, and he examines the kitchen. Nothing there worth noting. However, he is almost attacked by a WW, saved by protection from The Enigma. AVGWarhark's post #459 fairly gives himself away as a werewolf.

Takeda Shingen · 07-01-11, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's a calculated risk. If someone's not a seer, and they PM another player and say "hey I'm a seer and I know you're a ____" they only have a 25% chance of guessing correctly. So you can be 75% sure they are who they say they are if they tell you correctly what class you are.

The benefits of teaming up with a seer outweigh that 25% chance that they're BSing you.

I agree, and that is why I am happy that mookie believed me. In the current game mechanics, a guardian-seer tandem is extreemly powerful. So, naturally, when I found a guardian on night one, I jumped at the opportunity to team up.

HunterICX · 07-01-11, 05:45 PM

Great game all!

HunterICX

Oberon · 07-01-11, 05:57 PM

Well played, the only comment I would make would be to reduce the amount of time which players are locked into position. I was itching to investigate the nunnery, woods or lighthouse but was stuck in the castle until Hunter gave leave, and I was killed before then. Bit of a shame but that's how it goes. I was lucky to get quite far in the last werewolf game before getting eaten.

Ducimus · 07-01-11, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Night 1: Four werewolves and only 1 kill? Yeah, it was like the Keystone Kops. Ducimus decided not to attack anyone, and Lord Justice and Tarrasque both targeted AVGWarhawk, who is himself a werewolf. At least he tasted first blood, he took out the unfortunate cook of HMS Terrific, Bakkels.
.

I guess i misunderstood the rules or something. I was under the impression i wasn't supposed to attack anyone the first night for some reason. Either that or i just assumed id be the lone wolf, and wanted to draw things out a bit, and not make myself stick out on the first day.

The second time i missed an attack, was simply because i got caught up with other things and forgot to PM in an action.

So i missed two opprtunites to take someone out. bummer.

August · 07-01-11, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

So, you receive a message saying that a werewolf attacked you... And YOU KNOW YOU ARE HUMAN. This means that you SHOULD BE DEAD!

But wait a moment! You aren't dead! This means that THE MESSAGE MUST BE FALSE! Yes! That's right. The message IS NOT TRUE. So this means that THE PERSON WHO SAID THEY ATTACKED YOU DID NOT! And therefore they must not be a werwolf but... yes that's right! they must be human.

Great theory Einstein, but how exactly was I supposed to know that you weren't exactly WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE and that you weren't just sizing me up for your next target? You seriously expected me to tell a person who claims to be a werewolf that I was a human?

You're basically saying here "Well I lied about one part of my message so that is proof that i'm not lying in the second hidden part of my message".

Well I got news for you. Aside from the fact that going around telling people that you are a werewolf is a really dumb idea regardless of your intentions, no WW2 German soldier, (you know the WW2 German soldiers that we were role playing?) would ever receive such a message, from an SS man no less, and not IMMEDIATELY report it to his Commanding officer, which is exactly what I did.

Quote:

I did try to explain this rule implication to August and what it meant, but he just didn't seem interested, which was a shame.

Oh no you most certainly did not. The first communication between us, four days after your original PM by the way, was in response to my demand that you stop making calls about peoples alignment since you were out of the game.

Your excuse as I recall revolved around the fact that it was done to you in the last game and therefore you had a right to make those calls even though you personally didn't like the practice. Pretty hypocritical in my book.

As I told you then I don't care if the rules technically allow it, it's not the ethical thing to do and you'll notice that nobody else did it either so quit trying to blame your own bad game play on other people.

Onkel Neal · 07-01-11, 07:14 PM

Well, deception and trikery are certainly part of the game.

August · 07-01-11, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, deception and trikery are certainly part of the game.

Exactly. But when one practices to deceive they can hardly blame the target of their trickery for failing to react as they intended.

Rear · 07-01-11, 08:16 PM

Quote:

*Harras pauses at the edge of the woods, he looks back towards the castle and hears the alarms going off. He barks once and then disappears into the forest, never to be seen again?*

Did he go into the dark patch in the forest and become a werewolf?

August · 07-01-11, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

AVGWarhark's post #459 fairly gives himself away as a werewolf.

Ok I might be wrong about this but is that because he quoted Jack Nicholson?

07-01-11, 05:27 PM	#586
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,289 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Here are the identities and alignments: Germans The Enigma --- Guardian --- Schuetze Tinman764 --- Seer --- Gefreiter August --- Human --- Gefreiter Oberon --- Human --- Schuetze the_tyrant --- Human --- Schuetze Nisgeis --- Human --- SS HunterIXC --- Human --- Oberst Rear --- Human --- Hauptmann AVGWarhawk --- Werewolf --- Schuetze Ducimus --- Werewolf --- Oberfeldwebel British Bakkels --- Human --- Cook Raptor1 --- Human --- Captain jimbuna --- Human --- Petty Officer Task Force --- Human --- Sailor Pioneer --- Human --- Sailor Vendor --- Human --- Sailor (SPY) mookiemookie --- Guardian --- Sub-lieutenant Takeda Shingen --- Seer --- American News Lord Justice --- Werewolf --- Petty Officer Tarrasque --- Werewolf --- Chief __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-01-11, 05:28 PM	#587
Rear Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 102 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I can't wait for Neal's game summary __________________ Hauptmann Rear (Captain)

07-01-11, 05:35 PM	#589
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Fantastic tale well-told and well-played! Stuff like this, where the real creative genius of people (whom I've never met but consider friends and comrades nonetheless) comes out to play - this is what makes Subsim easily one of the best lil' corners of the Internet. THANK YOU to Neal and ALL of the Players for a truly memorable Internet experience. You guys really are the tops. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

07-01-11, 05:43 PM	#591
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,289 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Yeah, and since Vendor was MIA, that never got going. Here's the activity log. http://www.subsim.com/werewolf/2011/...wolf_huntE.zip The Story Elements On Day 1, I set up the game, PMed each player his secret assignment and the basic for participating in character; they had to obey their superior officers. The POWs could only attempt a revolt if they had a numerical superiority of three over the Germans. I supplied a map of the area, with several obvious features I hoped the players would investigate. There's the Forbidden forest, with its jagged dark area. The White Sands Beach, the minefield, St. Sophia's nunnery, and the Lighthouse Ruins. Each are would have some game trigger to reward the player. Day 1: there will be no lynching, time for the players to get to know one another and develop their characters. Night 1: Four werewolves and only 1 kill? Yeah, it was like the Keystone Kops. Ducimus decided not to attack anyone, and Lord Justice and Tarrasque both targeted AVGWarhawk, who is himself a werewolf. At least he tasted first blood, he took out the unfortunate cook of HMS Terrific, Bakkels. Night 3: Jimbuna is the escapee, and he examines the kitchen. Nothing there worth noting. However, he is almost attacked by a WW, saved by protection from The Enigma. AVGWarhark's post #459 fairly gives himself away as a werewolf. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-01-11, 05:45 PM	#593
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Great game all! HunterICX __________________

07-01-11, 05:57 PM	#594
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well played, the only comment I would make would be to reduce the amount of time which players are locked into position. I was itching to investigate the nunnery, woods or lighthouse but was stuck in the castle until Hunter gave leave, and I was killed before then. Bit of a shame but that's how it goes. I was lucky to get quite far in the last werewolf game before getting eaten.

07-01-11, 07:14 PM	#597
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,289 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Well, deception and trikery are certainly part of the game. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web