Tesla: ‘There’s almost no reason to have a gas car’

[Skybird]

These are some of the reasons why I would never buy a Tesla, even if I would want to buy an e-car (what I absolutely do not want to buy). Nor would I want to have anything to do with any of Musk's businesses.



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[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Can this be taxed?

New York says yes.

[les green01]

i don't drive nothing newer than a 1980 anything newer is junk

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by mapuc

What I wonder is: Have they solved the temp problems.

It cannot be solved, as this is a matter of basic thermodynamics and chemical equilibrium. A change in temperature will always influence chemical reaction, lowering the temperature will always slow down a chemical reaction.



There can be workarounds, like a heating system that keeps the battery (which actually is an accumulator, not a battery) above a certain temperature, like 5°C or 10°C / 41-50 °F), but this of course also drains power from the accumulator, so in the end it doesn't change much about the range of the car (however, it definitely increases accumulator life).

[em2nought]

...and don't go taking those Telsas to the beach.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/new.../17/690430.htm

[August]

Originally Posted by les green01

i don't drive nothing newer than a 1980 anything newer is junk

Dunno about that Les. I've had my share of pre 1980 cars and I have to say my present 2012 is better in a bunch of ways. Reliability, gas mileage, comfort. All much better than the best of my old rides.

The best one was my '78 Buick LeSabre. Like a hundred feet from bow to stern but was beautiful highway car.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by les green01

i don't drive nothing newer than a 1980 anything newer is junk

I got a 04 highlander with 200,000 miles. What I look for in a car is accessibility and being able to perform basic maintenance tasks like changing the battery, transmission and engine oil, plugs, wires, starter, light bulbs, alternator, belts, struts, brakes and such. That’s getting harder if not impossible to find in newer cars.

Everyone thinks those LED head lights are the best thing since sliced bread, they look so cool!. Until just one diode goes out and they have to take it to a shop to remove the front clip in order to replace a whole headlight assembly for several hundred dollars. Me, I go to Walmart buy a $20.00 halogen bulb and replace it myself in under 5 minutes

[Eichhörnchen]

This is a bit like a fish saying "There's almost no reason to walk around on dry land"

[Skybird]

If this shows to have been a software fault and not driver's fault, then it would be a major PR desaster for Tesla. There have been desastrous incidents with Teslas before - but none so visually well-documented.

Personally, i may be able to get used to automatised railtrack traffic (subway, trains). But autonomous cars I will never feel acceptance for. The number of possible and unpredictable interfering variables that could mess up just any situation out of the blue, is beyond my tolerance level.

[Jimbuna]

Me too.

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Me too.

We'll see if you have a choice. I think they will find that for any auto-piloting scheme to work it will require every vehicle on the road to be on the same network or at the very least have some sort of transponder.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Skybird

If this shows to have been a software fault and not driver's fault, then it would be a major PR desaster for Tesla. There have been desastrous incidents with Teslas before - but none so visually well-documented.

Personally, i may be able to get used to automatised railtrack traffic (subway, trains). But autonomous cars I will never feel acceptance for. The number of possible and unpredictable interfering variables that could mess up just any situation out of the blue...

Now kick it up to 80,000lb
with proposed big-rigs doing 55 mph on the Interstate hitting a bull moose on I-35 in Minnesota at 02:00 during the Fall out!

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Me too.

Me three!

Originally Posted by August

We'll see if you have a choice. I think they will find that for any auto-piloting scheme to work it will require every vehicle on the road to be on the same network or at the very least have some sort of transponder.

that'd hold up 'till fatboy in N.Korea hacks into said network; creating instant mayhem death and destruction across the continental USA?

[August]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

that'd hold up 'till fatboy in N.Korea hacks into said network; creating instant mayhem death and destruction across the continental USA?

Don't need the NK's, just a bit of snow or road grime over the camera lens ought to do it. Transponders would help but unless you can get that moose to wear one it will also have issues.

[mapuc]

According to this Danish article. Owner of Tesla could be breaking the law in EU..

Danish TV2 News writes:

Tesla owners risk breaking law

Tesla's surveillance system, Sentry Mode, may be breaking EU GDPR rules. writes FDM's magazine, Engine.

Developments in technology on new Tesla models could mean that many Tesla owners risk breaking the law without even realising it.

The reason for this is to be found in Tesla's monitoring system, called Tesla Sentry Mode.

The monitoring system is designed to document and prevent theft, vandalism and road damage.

A Tesla is equipped with several cameras around the car that film passers-by. Both when the car is moving and when it is stationary. These are the cameras used by the surveillance system.

Update in conflict with the law
At the same time, an update in 2021 allowed Tesla owners to access the cameras on their app, so they could keep track of what was happening around their Tesla on their mobile.

With this feature, many Danish Tesla owners risk violating the TV surveillance law, writes FDM's member magazine, Engine.

According to the law, it is not allowed for private individuals to carry out TV surveillance of "streets, roads, squares or similar areas used for normal traffic".

- The development of camera technology in modern cars is rapid - and probably faster than the legislation has been able to keep up with, says FDM chief consultant Dennis Lange to FDM's member magazine, Engine

Forwarded to the Netherlands
A so-called data complaint has been filed with the Danish Data Protection Authority, but Tesla has its European headquarters in the Netherlands, and the request to the Data Protection Authority has therefore been forwarded to the authorities in the Netherlands.

It is now up to the Dutch authorities to investigate whether Tesla is in breach of EU GDPR rules.

- For the consumer, it is in any case crucial that the equipment the car comes with can be relied upon to be used legally, and if there are restrictions on this possibility, that the consumer is clearly informed about the circumstances under which the equipment may not be used, says Dennis Lange to Engine.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Markus

[Catfish]

Since Musk is so effectively destroying Twitter, can we have him buy Facebook next?