US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I'm guessing you didn't even bother reading the article. That's ok, I don't expect low-information people to put in the work.

NY Post article. See my previous post.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

This is very very simple.

Are you a biological female? Did a biological male ejaculate into your vagina? Did neither of you use birth control? Go to the drugstore and get the morning-after pill the next day. You don't need a prescription.

Did you use birth control and still concerned you could get pregnant? Buy a pregnancy test at the drugstore before six weeks. Or go to your doctor or planned parenthood before six weeks.

You were raped? Why wouldn't you ask for a morning after pill when the cops call the ambulance to take you to the hospital?

What this change to the law does is force people to either be responsible or go outside the state if they procrastinate.

Some will say "but the woman may not know she can become pregnant until after 6 weeks..." My answer to that is: are you a biological female whose vagina was ejaculated into by a biological male?

Oh, I take it you are female. You certainly wouldn't want to tell someone how to lead their life without walking in their shoes!!!

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

NY Post article. See my previous post.

You don't have to like the source for it to be factual reporting.

Before Cuomo signed updated abortion legislation for NY, if a chemically-induced abortion resulted in a live birth, they were protected. After he sighed it, a chemically-induced abortion resulting in a live birth didn't require subsequent medical intervention - the abortionist could simply throw a preemie into the corner and let it die hours later.

Inconvenient truths...

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Oh, I take it you are female. You certainly wouldn't want to tell someone how to lead their life without walking in their shoes!!!

So you're advocating for people to have no consequences for irresponsible behavior. And we wonder why society is full of lawlessness and immorality.

[Arlo]

Before 'Mr. Informed' gets too carried away (again):

Fact check: New York's abortion law doesn't allow any abortion 'up until birth,' as claimed

New York state's abortion law has previously been the subject of misinformation.

It became a talking point when Cuomo signed abortion legislation codifying Roe vs. Wade into state law in January 2019.

New York's Reproductive Health Act allows practitioners to perform an abortion on a patient who is 24 weeks or more away from the start of a pregnancy if the fetus is not viable or the abortion is necessary "to protect the patient's life or health."

The law does not define "health" or viability of a fetus. The determination of these factors must be made by a "health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized" under state law, "acting within his or her lawful scope of practice."

Before Cuomo signed the legislation, abortions after 24 weeks were allowed only when the mother's life was at risk. They otherwise were criminalized.

The Reproductive Health Act also removed abortion from the state's penal code, and the statute still defines a person as a "human being who has been born and is alive." Killing a baby once born is still considered homicide.

Typically, pregnancies range from 38 to 42 weeks and babies are considered viable at 37 weeks. Across the country:

43 states restrict abortion by gestational age.
19 states ban abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy.
5 states ban abortion at 24 weeks of pregnancy.
18 states ban abortion based on viability of the fetus.
Alabama has the most restrictive abortion law in the U.S., banning abortion at any stage of pregnancy and for any reason, including in cases of rape and incest. The law is on hold after a federal judge ruled the ban "defies the United States Constitution."

Virginia has a more lenient law than Alabama in terms of time frame and bans abortion at the third trimester, which begins at 25 weeks.

A 2018 report from the CDC found that in 2015, there were 638,169 reported abortions in the U.S. Of those, 65% of the procedures were performed at or before the eight-week mark and 91% were performed at or before the 13-week mark. Only 1.3% of abortions recorded were performed at 21 weeks or later.

It is false to state or imply that any abortion can occur in New York "up until birth" as the social posts claims. That is misleading. Additionally, no state in the U.S. allows abortion "up until birth."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...th/3014473001/

[Rockstar]

Occupy Congress or Insurrection, I wonder how far things will go, or will it be a non-event? I think social media corporations should suspend their accounts immediately

[Arlo]

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Before 'Mr. Informed' gets too carried away (again):

Fact check: New York's abortion law doesn't allow any abortion 'up until birth,' as claimed

New York state's abortion law has previously been the subject of misinformation.

It became a talking point when Cuomo signed abortion legislation codifying Roe vs. Wade into state law in January 2019.

New York's Reproductive Health Act allows practitioners to perform an abortion on a patient who is 24 weeks or more away from the start of a pregnancy if the fetus is not viable or the abortion is necessary "to protect the patient's life or health."

The law does not define "health" or viability of a fetus. The determination of these factors must be made by a "health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized" under state law, "acting within his or her lawful scope of practice."

Before Cuomo signed the legislation, abortions after 24 weeks were allowed only when the mother's life was at risk. They otherwise were criminalized.

The Reproductive Health Act also removed abortion from the state's penal code, and the statute still defines a person as a "human being who has been born and is alive." Killing a baby once born is still considered homicide.

Typically, pregnancies range from 38 to 42 weeks and babies are considered viable at 37 weeks. Across the country:

43 states restrict abortion by gestational age.
19 states ban abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy.
5 states ban abortion at 24 weeks of pregnancy.
18 states ban abortion based on viability of the fetus.
Alabama has the most restrictive abortion law in the U.S., banning abortion at any stage of pregnancy and for any reason, including in cases of rape and incest. The law is on hold after a federal judge ruled the ban "defies the United States Constitution."

Virginia has a more lenient law than Alabama in terms of time frame and bans abortion at the third trimester, which begins at 25 weeks.

A 2018 report from the CDC found that in 2015, there were 638,169 reported abortions in the U.S. Of those, 65% of the procedures were performed at or before the eight-week mark and 91% were performed at or before the 13-week mark. Only 1.3% of abortions recorded were performed at 21 weeks or later.

It is false to state or imply that any abortion can occur in New York "up until birth" as the social posts claims. That is misleading. Additionally, no state in the U.S. allows abortion "up until birth."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...th/3014473001/

Nobody made the claim of NY killing babies up until birth at full term. What you fail to understand is that after 24 weeks, a botched chemical abortion leading to a live birth previously required the physician in attendance to render suitable medical aid. Now, that don't have to which means that those live births are left to die, typically by suffocation. Given appropriate medical care, viability at 24-26 weeks is currently achievable on a routine basis.

Since the law doesn't define health or viability and removed abortion after 24 weeks from the penal code, it allows abortion mills to kill otherwise viable babies. That the law can be abused this way means it will be and very likely is right now - we have proof of this elsewhere in the earlier Kermit Gosnell situation in PA. There were tons of complaints against him over his 30 years of killing. State regulators hadn't inspected his clinic since 1993. The only reason his house of horrors came to light was because the FBI was investigating the potential of drugs being illegally dispensed. This guy wasn't even certified to do OB/GYN work and he killed for over 30 years.

[Catfish]

^ which is probably due to the fact that abortions were illegal in a lot of states, so doctors were often outlawed, and having to do it under shady and bad conditions. If abortion was publicly and officially allowed there would be no "botched abortions".

"The ciderhouse rules" by John Irving is a good book b.t.w..

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Arlo

New York's Reproductive Health Act allows practitioners to perform an abortion on a patient who is 24 weeks or more away from the start of a pregnancy if the fetus is not viable or the abortion is necessary "to protect the patient's life or health."

The law does not define "health" or viability of a fetus. The determination of these factors must be made by a "health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized" under state law, "acting within his or her lawful scope of practice."

Before Cuomo signed the legislation, abortions after 24 weeks were allowed only when the mother's life was at risk. They otherwise were criminalized.

The Reproductive Health Act also removed abortion from the state's penal code, and the statute still defines a person as a "human being who has been born and is alive." Killing a baby once born is still considered homicide.

Typically, pregnancies range from 38 to 42 weeks and babies are considered viable at 37 weeks. Across the country:

43 states restrict abortion by gestational age.
19 states ban abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy.
5 states ban abortion at 24 weeks of pregnancy.
18 states ban abortion based on viability of the fetus.
Alabama has the most restrictive abortion law in the U.S., banning abortion at any stage of pregnancy and for any reason, including in cases of rape and incest. The law is on hold after a federal judge ruled the ban "defies the United States Constitution."

Virginia has a more lenient law than Alabama in terms of time frame and bans abortion at the third trimester, which begins at 25 weeks.

It is false to state or imply that any abortion can occur in New York "up until birth" as the social posts claims. That is misleading. Additionally, no state in the U.S. allows abortion "up until birth."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...th/3014473001/

Thank you Arlo for enlighten me about the Abortions rule in the different states.

Markus

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ which is probably due to the fact that abortions were illegal in a lot of states, so doctors were often outlawed, and having to do it under shady and bad conditions. If abortion was publicly and officially allowed there would be no "botched abortions".

"The ciderhouse rules" by John Irving is a good book b.t.w..

No, these are legal abortions in modern times where use of chemicals to induce the abortion results in a live birth. Obviously, with a surgical abortion, the baby is chopped up and removed in pieces, or the head is cracked open and the brain vacuumed out.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/health_poli...-pregnancy.htm

[Arlo]

Anyone wanna fact check?

[MaDef]

LOL.... you forgot to mention the 21 week limit, the 5 day waiting period, or that abortions must be performed in a hospital or clinic that is certified to perform said abortions. And after 12 weeks, 2 doctors must sign off on that course of treatment. Its not as cut and dried as you try to make it. But I'll give you an "E" for effort.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by MaDef

LOL.... you forgot to mention the 21 week limit, the 5 day waiting period, or that abortions must be performed in a hospital or clinic that is certified to perform said abortions. And after 12 weeks, 2 doctors must sign off on that course of treatment. Its not as cut and dried as you try to make it. But I'll give you an "E" for effort.

I think 12 week is standard here in Europe. During these 12 weeks no question asked if a woman wish an abortion. Thereafter doctors is needed to approve an abortion-In Denmark the limit here is 22 weeks.

Markus

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I think 12 week is standard here in Europe. During these 12 weeks no question asked if a woman wish an abortion. Thereafter doctors is needed to approve an abortion-In Denmark the limit here is 22 weeks.

Markus

So why is it that EU countries seem to limit abortion after 1st trimester, yet abortion activists in the US continue with messaging that the US is repressive unlike the enlightened Europeans...