US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 139

August · 08-29-21, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Has Biden as his successor taken the situation seriously from day 1 in the Oval office ?

Markus

I think it's evident that he did not. There is no justifiable reason for this to have gone the way it did.

Rockstar · 08-29-21, 03:49 PM

As previously mentioned nobody wants to be in Afghanistan. Initially over 90% of the population approved of operations there. These days less than 25% think we should stay. It has become politically untenable to remain. We should have left in May first as originally planned.

The purpose of a war isn’t to nation build, rescue people or hand out candy to children. Its purpose is to eradicate the enemy to remove all memory of their existence in one terrible bloody unforgiving relentless onslaught as quickly and painlessly as possible. Not to play games for twenty years so few can profit from it.

Get out now and let it burn, I don’t give a rats arse about Afghanistan.

August · 08-29-21, 04:16 PM

Had Trump been reelected his plans and timetables would have proceeded uninterrupted. They should have anyways but when the Dems came into power the first thing they did was derail and discontinue everything Trump had ordered. I'll bet that the withdrawal plans was one of them.
That's why they ignored the warnings from the generals and the intelligence people until it was too late.
They're bragging about how many they have gotten out so far but they ignore how many more that will get left behind because of their incompetence. They won't be able to ignore it forever. Somebody will have to take the fall for this but they had better be careful about picking their scapegoat. Those generals and intel types are likely to have documented their warnings and go public with them if they get thrown under the bus.

mapuc · 08-29-21, 04:23 PM

I seem to recall what the Danish journalist said in the news some days ago.

"The intelligent service told Biden in July that in would take month before Taliban had taken control over the country."
I could of course have remembered wrong though.

Markus

Buddahaid · 08-29-21, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Had Trump been reelected his plans and timetables would have proceeded uninterrupted...

That is just speculation.

Arlo · 08-29-21, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

That is just speculation.

Most all of August's public T worship is.

August · 08-29-21, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

That is just speculation.

As it turned out so was the Trump Russia scandal.

MaDef · 08-29-21, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

That is just speculation.

Face it, Biden screwed the pooch on this one, period.

Reece · 08-29-21, 10:12 PM

Yes!!

Buddahaid · 08-29-21, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

Face it, Biden screwed the pooch on this one, period.

In your opinion. I'm not convinced

MaDef · 08-30-21, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

In your opinion. I'm not convinced

Really?? What kind of "leader" pulls the last 1500 troops out of a war zone while leaving 6000 of his civilian citizens there to fend for themselves, and then 6 weeks later has to send 6000 troops back in to rescue the people he left behind?

Because of BIDENS BUNGLEING, there are 13 American service members and 170 Afghan civilians who are now dead.

Catfish · 08-30-21, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

Really?? What kind of "leader" pulls the last 1500 troops out of a war zone while leaving 6000 of his civilian citizens there to fend for themselves, and then 6 weeks later has to send 6000 troops back in to rescue the people he left behind? [...]

Maybe because Trump tried to stop handing out Visas in 2020 so it all was postponed.. and Biden inherited the mess?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1906190.html

"A former White House Homeland Security official has accused the Trump administration of deliberately obstructing visa processing for US allies in Afghanistan.
[...]
Ms Troye went on to say that while Mr Pence was fully aware of the problem, it was impossible to make progress because Mr Trump and Mr Miller had “watchdogs in place” at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, State and security agencies to make the process even more difficult."
Now i am not sure whether this is true, but to me it perfectly fits into the policies of those days in 2020.

But in one thing you are right, if Trump was still potus there would be 6000 or so less Afghan helpers to be rescued because they would not even have received a visum.

MaDef · 08-30-21, 09:05 AM

That sounds like an excuse Catfish, and a weak one at that. There are only 2 ways this incident could have happened:
1. Biden was completely deceived by the Pentagon, State Department, and intel
Services
or

2. Biden completely ignored their assessments.

Either way, the U.S. made a mess of the withdrawal.

Buddahaid · 08-30-21, 09:31 AM

Or that the whole thing isn't as simple as some people are making it out to be, I mean if you think Trump could do it better, you really are oversimplifying.

mapuc · 08-30-21, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

That sounds like an excuse Catfish, and a weak one at that. There are only 2 ways this incident could have happened:
1. Biden was completely deceived by the Pentagon, State Department, and intel
Services
or

2. Biden completely ignored their assessments.

Either way, the U.S. made a mess of the withdrawal.

It's number 1. I posted a comment about the Danish decision which was based on the intel they got from the Danish Defence intelligens in our Afghan thread.
In this the FE wrote that Kabul would not fall this year.

Markus

08-29-21, 03:49 PM	#2072
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,851 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	As previously mentioned nobody wants to be in Afghanistan. Initially over 90% of the population approved of operations there. These days less than 25% think we should stay. It has become politically untenable to remain. We should have left in May first as originally planned. The purpose of a war isn’t to nation build, rescue people or hand out candy to children. Its purpose is to eradicate the enemy to remove all memory of their existence in one terrible bloody unforgiving relentless onslaught as quickly and painlessly as possible. Not to play games for twenty years so few can profit from it. Get out now and let it burn, I don’t give a rats arse about Afghanistan. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

08-29-21, 04:16 PM	#2073
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,674 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Had Trump been reelected his plans and timetables would have proceeded uninterrupted. They should have anyways but when the Dems came into power the first thing they did was derail and discontinue everything Trump had ordered. I'll bet that the withdrawal plans was one of them. That's why they ignored the warnings from the generals and the intelligence people until it was too late. They're bragging about how many they have gotten out so far but they ignore how many more that will get left behind because of their incompetence. They won't be able to ignore it forever. Somebody will have to take the fall for this but they had better be careful about picking their scapegoat. Those generals and intel types are likely to have documented their warnings and go public with them if they get thrown under the bus. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

08-29-21, 04:23 PM	#2074
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,909 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I seem to recall what the Danish journalist said in the news some days ago. "The intelligent service told Biden in July that in would take month before Taliban had taken control over the country." I could of course have remembered wrong though. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

08-29-21, 10:12 PM	#2079
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,767 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Yes!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

08-30-21, 09:31 AM	#2084
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Or that the whole thing isn't as simple as some people are making it out to be, I mean if you think Trump could do it better, you really are oversimplifying. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

08-30-21, 09:05 AM	#2083
MaDef Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,046 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	That sounds like an excuse Catfish, and a weak one at that. There are only 2 ways this incident could have happened: 1. Biden was completely deceived by the Pentagon, State Department, and intel Services or 2. Biden completely ignored their assessments. Either way, the U.S. made a mess of the withdrawal.