[TEC] Some aircraft AI tests/questions

[Jeff-Groves]

Pretty smart for a Village Idiot ain't I?

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Originally Posted by kapuhy

Ok, after a quick test: changing all instances solves issue Tonci87 was writing about in TWoS thread - Catalina now continues its attack and drops bombs at a place where U-Boat has disappeared under water. I'll recheck the MAD sensor later and report.

Now we must check history books and websites for information on which depth was considered viable for an aiir attack with bombs or depth charges against a submerged submarine. I am sure I have read this information somewhere

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Pretty smart for a Village Idiot ain't I?

...and a professional cunning linguist too, let's not forget that

[kapuhy]

Originally Posted by gap

Now we must check history books and websites for information on which depth was considered viable for an aiir attack with bombs or depth charges against a submerged submarine. I am sure I have read this information somewhere

...and browse IRAI thread as well as maybe ask SH5 modders active at the time to find why this 8.5 depth was set, so as not to reintroduce an old issue by solving this one.

Speaking of which, in IRAI thread there was talk of problem with planes constantly strafing surface where the boat has dived, perhaps this might be the reason?

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Pretty smart for a Village Idiot ain't I?

[Jeff-Groves]

You have a link to the specific pages?

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You have a link to the specific pages?

I am afraid the "specific pages" are the whole IRAI thread
I don't remember any specific post or date that aircraft AI was discussed on, but I remember that at some pome point a "kamikaze" tactic was introduced for when aircraft were fatally damage and they can only choose where they will fall down. Somehow, this tactic made aircraft even more awkward than they are now and lesser likely to drop bombs, so it was removed in a later IRAI version

[kapuhy]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You have a link to the specific pages?

I didn't bookmark it at the time, but now I found it again:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...bs#post1620030

TDW's post #1144

Originally Posted by gap

Should we join forces for a SH5 Aerial ASW mod?

With pleasure!

EDIT: Oh and I just checked: MAD sensor based on SH4:OM now does work in SH5 too. I just got detected sitting still at periscope depth (with periscope down) and accurately bombed by MAD Catalina. It still needs a lot of tweaking to be historically correct, but the capability is there.

[Jeff-Groves]

You can find all available Script commands in SHSim.act
Use 010, open SHSim.act, then do a find strings as a Search.

[kapuhy]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You can find all available Script commands in SHSim.act
Use 010, open SHSim.act, then do a find strings as a Search.

Thanks again Going to sleep now so I won't test anything today, but just did what you suggested and at least two things immediately caught my eye: there are GetContactSpeed and ContactIsMoving commands, maybe these could be used to differentiate aircraft behaviour based on target speed (to avoid this endless loop from my video).

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Originally Posted by kapuhy

...and browse IRAI thread as well as maybe ask SH5 modders active at the time to find why this 8.5 depth was set, so as not to reintroduce an old issue by solving this one.

I was one of them. I don't remember any particular issue related with submarine depth and air raids, but I suppose not many will like being bombed by a Catalina when they think they are safe under 15 or 20 meters of water.

Early in campaign they might still be safe, but after your tweak and after the introduction of air depth charges in campaign, things might change. I have a collection of realistic allied depth bomb models on my hard disc. All my work, so no permission is going to be required for importing them in game. Over the years I have also gathered information on them (year/mont of introduction, blast radii, depth of detonation, etc). Should we join forces for a SH5 Aerial ASW mod?

[Muckenberg]

Originally Posted by gap

Now we must check history books and websites for information on which depth was considered viable for an aiir attack with bombs or depth charges against a submerged submarine. I am sure I have read this information somewhere

The Admiralty introduced a minimum depth of fifty feet (fifteen meters) for deep charges to protect surface vessels dropping charges from explosion. Beginning in the summer of 1941, the Coast Command introduced fifty feet of bombs dropped from aircraft until a hydrostatic detonator was deployed to a depth of twenty-five feet.

I will look for more information.

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Originally Posted by Muckenberg

The Admiralty introduced a minimum depth of fifty feet (fifteen meters) for deep charges to protect surface vessels dropping charges from explosion. Beginning in the summer of 1941, the Coast Command introduced fifty feet of bombs dropped from aircraft until a hydrostatic detonator was deployed to a depth of twenty-five feet.

I will look for more information.

Thank you Muckenberg

From my own research I remember that initially depth charges pistols were set too low. Later studies demontrated that in the time elapsed from aircraft dtection to DC dropping, the U-boat couldn't dive that much, and pistol settings were adjusted accordingly.

I can provide dates and figures, but now it is dinner time and I am too hungry to bother checking the file where I gathered the data